Spinward Scout
February 6th, 2004, 06:06 PM
Hey everybody,
Saw a new book at my local store today. The Book of Erotic Fantasy for D&D. Interesting. Someone must have done some "hard" research for that one. hehe But funny, as I was flipping through it, I couldn't help but think about something that someone on the board came up with. Has anyone ever "fleshed" out the Pleasure Domes of Stillatio 7?
Fully expecting this to get bumped off the boards,
Scout
Saw a new book at my local store today. The Book of Erotic Fantasy for D&D. Interesting. Someone must have done some "hard" research for that one. hehe But funny, as I was flipping through it, I couldn't help but think about something that someone on the board came up with. Has anyone ever "fleshed" out the Pleasure Domes of Stillatio 7?
Fully expecting this to get bumped off the boards,
Scout
Malenfant
February 6th, 2004, 06:30 PM
You should have seen the flamewars at rpg.net over that... oy. Half the people (mostly the ones that bought it) were basically saying "Ok, so there are rules about sex, but they're tastefully done and it's interesting, even though I can't think of any reason to use it", while the other half (who hadn't bought it and had prejudged it anyway) were, inbetween their incoherent ranting and frothing, screaming about how it was utterly obscene, was going to destroy the RPG industry, and was utterly disgusting pornography that should be burnt from the shelves.
It was quite amusing to watch really smile.gif
It was quite amusing to watch really smile.gif
mad13142000
February 6th, 2004, 07:27 PM
I read through it at the book store and couldn't for the life of me figure out how to use it in a campaign....But I also didn't think it obscene or tasteless...What do said naysayers think of the Book of Vile Darkness I wonder...
-MADDog
-MADDog
RandyT0001
February 6th, 2004, 07:36 PM
Now I can start to make my pitch to Hunter and Martin about my new T20 book, "Interspecies and Robotic Sex in the Far Future of the Traveller Universes".
:eek:
It will be a purely scientific study and not a brief glimpse of flesh merely for carnal satisfaction. I will begin the book with the present day aliens who come to earth's remote rural regions to mutilate livestock and take sex slaves aboard thier ship for experimentation and end with the geneered Vilani-Hiver crossbreed the K'Kree are trying to develop in 1248. I am not doing this just for publicity but as a serious piece of work for all of Traveller's fans to enjoy (and to offer insights on how they can have their characters enjoy sex during a gaming session with other species, despite the inherent difficulties). graemlins/file_23.gif
:eek:
It will be a purely scientific study and not a brief glimpse of flesh merely for carnal satisfaction. I will begin the book with the present day aliens who come to earth's remote rural regions to mutilate livestock and take sex slaves aboard thier ship for experimentation and end with the geneered Vilani-Hiver crossbreed the K'Kree are trying to develop in 1248. I am not doing this just for publicity but as a serious piece of work for all of Traveller's fans to enjoy (and to offer insights on how they can have their characters enjoy sex during a gaming session with other species, despite the inherent difficulties). graemlins/file_23.gif
far-trader
February 6th, 2004, 07:47 PM
Fascinating, perhaps a geek training manual for puberty? No clue really not having see it, and I doubt it'll see the shelves here graemlins/file_28.gif
Seriously I can remember several sexual (just RPG) encounters in our early teen D&D games. I mean, hey come on, we WERE teens. We didn't need a book ;)
Have to laugh about the obscene references from the chat board though, nothing obscene in the slaughter of dozens or hundreds of orcs, goblins, and such right ;) Can't have good clean love ruining our great RPG bloodshedding, robbing and boozing right :rolleyes:
Seriously I can remember several sexual (just RPG) encounters in our early teen D&D games. I mean, hey come on, we WERE teens. We didn't need a book ;)
Have to laugh about the obscene references from the chat board though, nothing obscene in the slaughter of dozens or hundreds of orcs, goblins, and such right ;) Can't have good clean love ruining our great RPG bloodshedding, robbing and boozing right :rolleyes:
mad13142000
February 6th, 2004, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by Randy Tyler:
Now I can start to make my pitch to Hunter and Martin about my new T20 book, "Interspecies and Robotic Sex in the Far Future of the Traveller Universes".
Wow...Do you need any help with writing?
I've spent alot of time writing for the old usenet:
alt.sex.fetish.robots
graemlins/file_23.gif
(come on Hunter...Its all in good fun)
-MADDog
Now I can start to make my pitch to Hunter and Martin about my new T20 book, "Interspecies and Robotic Sex in the Far Future of the Traveller Universes".
Wow...Do you need any help with writing?
I've spent alot of time writing for the old usenet:
alt.sex.fetish.robots
graemlins/file_23.gif
(come on Hunter...Its all in good fun)
-MADDog
Shadowdancer
February 6th, 2004, 08:15 PM
I own a copy of the book, and have found lots of uses for it. Our gaming group has always included a lot of mature subjects in our games, sex being one of them.
The book actually has some good, useful material in it: how various species view sex, reproduction, etc.; new spells, skills and feats, many of which have nothing to do with sex or can be used in non-sexual situations; consequences of sex (diseases, pregnancy); variant spell casters; prestige classes; interesting organizations; new monsters and creatures.
We have even imported some of the skills and feats into our Traveller game.
One of the big selling points of the book, and the source of much of its condemnation, is that all of the illustrations are photos of live models which are then in many cases manipulated by computer.
The book actually has some good, useful material in it: how various species view sex, reproduction, etc.; new spells, skills and feats, many of which have nothing to do with sex or can be used in non-sexual situations; consequences of sex (diseases, pregnancy); variant spell casters; prestige classes; interesting organizations; new monsters and creatures.
We have even imported some of the skills and feats into our Traveller game.
One of the big selling points of the book, and the source of much of its condemnation, is that all of the illustrations are photos of live models which are then in many cases manipulated by computer.
Jame
February 7th, 2004, 08:05 AM
I see very little use for this. In fact, I can only think of this being shared between "consenting adults" (which means I'd never even have the chance to use it IF I bought it).
Why would anyone want this?
Why would anyone want this?
Sage45
February 7th, 2004, 12:21 PM
well I am at least going to have to flip through it curiosity and all. Just my nature i guess.
Spinward Scout
February 7th, 2004, 12:49 PM
Everything did seem well thought out and presented professionally when I looked at it. Maybe not as much use for Traveller - since a lot of the book is about magic. But you could always turn some items into some kind of Ancient Artifact. The Pierced Mystic Prestige Class could be used in a PG game from the look of it.
siefertma2
February 7th, 2004, 07:42 PM
OK, those who know me will tell you that I'm not a fan of our prudish, puritanical culture's attitude toward sexuality. However....
...do you really need rules for sex?
"Oops! Looks like you failed you're foreplay roll. She slaps you, puts her clothes back on, and leaves the motel room."
They should have called it "Masturbation Material For Lonely Gamers." and be done with it.
...do you really need rules for sex?
"Oops! Looks like you failed you're foreplay roll. She slaps you, puts her clothes back on, and leaves the motel room."
They should have called it "Masturbation Material For Lonely Gamers." and be done with it.
kaladorn
February 7th, 2004, 10:07 PM
Mark, you've nicely summarized what I was thinking. Since I rarely dwell on the details of such things (they happen often enough in the games but are an 'off-stage' item), it just doesn't seem like something worth having. Similarly, if it hadn't been free, I'd never have the Great Net Book of Alcohol.... because you really don't need that much info for any game on such a... marginal topic.
Unless, I suppose, you were going to play some sort of seduction oriented character class and your group enjoyed LARP or had some sort of libidinous trend.... <shudder-cringe>
Unless, I suppose, you were going to play some sort of seduction oriented character class and your group enjoyed LARP or had some sort of libidinous trend.... <shudder-cringe>
wa11eye
February 7th, 2004, 11:14 PM
That's the last thing I want to do is flirt with a member of my group, there all guy's graemlins/file_21.gif
wa11eye
wa11eye
siefertma2
February 8th, 2004, 01:44 AM
Originally posted by wa11eye:
That's the last thing I want to do is flirt with a member of my group, there all guy's graemlins/file_21.gif
wa11eye It's not so bad... My Ursula PC's lover and eventual wife was portrayed by none other than our own Liam Devlin. You have to look at the character rather than the person playing it. That, and booze helps.
That's the last thing I want to do is flirt with a member of my group, there all guy's graemlins/file_21.gif
wa11eye It's not so bad... My Ursula PC's lover and eventual wife was portrayed by none other than our own Liam Devlin. You have to look at the character rather than the person playing it. That, and booze helps.
Emperor Cleon
February 8th, 2004, 04:29 AM
Well, I certainly hope I won't be accused of...
incoherent ranting and frothing, screaming about how it was utterly obscene but this sort of thing is clearly a sign of the times. The idea that a game company would publish a book of erotica as a rules supplement to a game meant for ages 12 and up (thats what most RPG's say on them), is showing a definate lack of responsibility.
Yes, I know all about how younger people are "more knowledgeable" nowadays than in the past, and all that. I have four kids, the two oldest are 10 and 8, and they know far more than they should at their age. But to encourage that sort of thing in young people is irresponsible.
Okay, now I'M expecting to get booted.. smile.gif
incoherent ranting and frothing, screaming about how it was utterly obscene but this sort of thing is clearly a sign of the times. The idea that a game company would publish a book of erotica as a rules supplement to a game meant for ages 12 and up (thats what most RPG's say on them), is showing a definate lack of responsibility.
Yes, I know all about how younger people are "more knowledgeable" nowadays than in the past, and all that. I have four kids, the two oldest are 10 and 8, and they know far more than they should at their age. But to encourage that sort of thing in young people is irresponsible.
Okay, now I'M expecting to get booted.. smile.gif
Spinward Scout
February 8th, 2004, 02:34 PM
It does say "For Mature Gamers Only" or some such on it. White Wolf has been doing that for years with their Black Dog line.
Scout
Scout
Andrew Boulton
February 8th, 2004, 03:02 PM
Surely it's the *immature* gamers that would be interested...
eiladayn
February 8th, 2004, 05:51 PM
Exactly my response, Andrew. I don't need an instruction manual.
Pappy
Pappy
Pagan priest
February 8th, 2004, 07:20 PM
I have not yet had a chance to add this book to my gaming library, although I do indend to do so as soon as funds are available. Why? Well, like other supplimental books out there, it has things that can fit into my campaing world and inhance it. I would guess that most of the people posting derogatory remarks about it have not bothered to actually learn anything about it other than title and (maybe) vague bits of the subject matter. I have actually seen some of the preview materials offered. This book is nicely done. All of what I have seen so far has been in good taste.
Most of the book deals with things that are of most use in a fantasy setting. PrC's or feats that use sexual energy to enhance spell casting probably don't have much of a place in many Traveller games. On the other hand, if you need gaming rule info on how to treat pregnancy...
Most of the book deals with things that are of most use in a fantasy setting. PrC's or feats that use sexual energy to enhance spell casting probably don't have much of a place in many Traveller games. On the other hand, if you need gaming rule info on how to treat pregnancy...
siefertma2
February 8th, 2004, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by Pagan priest:
On the other hand, if you need gaming rule info on how to treat pregnancy... Who needs a rule for that either?
GM: "OK, it's the Morning After. Did you two have fun?"
PC: "Awwwwwww yeah."
GM: "Now, were either of you using contraceptives?"
PC: "Errrrrrr... No."
GM: "Well, in that case congratulations are in order... Daddy."
On the other hand, if you need gaming rule info on how to treat pregnancy... Who needs a rule for that either?
GM: "OK, it's the Morning After. Did you two have fun?"
PC: "Awwwwwww yeah."
GM: "Now, were either of you using contraceptives?"
PC: "Errrrrrr... No."
GM: "Well, in that case congratulations are in order... Daddy."
Emperor Cleon
February 8th, 2004, 11:15 PM
As I said, it's a sign of the times. When I started playing rpg's in the late seventies with D&D (note, no "A" in front smile.gif ) and Traveller at about age 12, a certain amount of "sexual" content did crop up now and then. But it was no more erotic than Princess Leia kissing Han Solo, or Captain Kirk seducing the local green-skinned girl. There was certainly no need for a game supplement on the subject.
The only purpose for such a book is to get you to spend your money. I can hardly believe that it would significantly enhance anyones game. It's probably about as useful as the ring girl at a boxing match. Nice to look at, but not what you paid money to see. smile.gif
The only purpose for such a book is to get you to spend your money. I can hardly believe that it would significantly enhance anyones game. It's probably about as useful as the ring girl at a boxing match. Nice to look at, but not what you paid money to see. smile.gif
Spinward Scout
February 9th, 2004, 02:50 AM
Ooooh - I opened up a big ol' can of worms!
And no one's posted anything about the Pleasure Domes of Stillatio 7... :cool:
Scout
And no one's posted anything about the Pleasure Domes of Stillatio 7... :cool:
Scout
Pagan priest
February 9th, 2004, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by Mark A. Siefert:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Pagan priest:
On the other hand, if you need gaming rule info on how to treat pregnancy... Who needs a rule for that either?
GM: "OK, it's the Morning After. Did you two have fun?"
PC: "Awwwwwww yeah."
GM: "Now, were either of you using contraceptives?"
PC: "Errrrrrr... No."
GM: "Well, in that case congratulations are in order... Daddy." </font>[/QUOTE]Humerous, but of course, not based in reality. If you want to give a realistic chance of pregnancy, you start getting very complicated, but to have a reasonable guess as to the probability, and be consistant in that ruling, having guidelines can be good.
As far as enhancing anyone's game, one of the PrC's (Sarced Prostitute) is appropriate to the temples of a couple of the Deities in my D&D campaign.
And, I like the idea of having a monk or cleric that can boost his wisdom just by having sex. graemlins/file_23.gif
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Pagan priest:
On the other hand, if you need gaming rule info on how to treat pregnancy... Who needs a rule for that either?
GM: "OK, it's the Morning After. Did you two have fun?"
PC: "Awwwwwww yeah."
GM: "Now, were either of you using contraceptives?"
PC: "Errrrrrr... No."
GM: "Well, in that case congratulations are in order... Daddy." </font>[/QUOTE]Humerous, but of course, not based in reality. If you want to give a realistic chance of pregnancy, you start getting very complicated, but to have a reasonable guess as to the probability, and be consistant in that ruling, having guidelines can be good.
As far as enhancing anyone's game, one of the PrC's (Sarced Prostitute) is appropriate to the temples of a couple of the Deities in my D&D campaign.
And, I like the idea of having a monk or cleric that can boost his wisdom just by having sex. graemlins/file_23.gif
notagoodusername
February 9th, 2004, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by Pagan priest:
And, I like the idea of having a monk or cleric that can boost his wisdom just by having sex. graemlins/file_23.gif That's strangely appropriate. In my younger years my Wisdom went up a few points the morning after on a few wish-I-could-forget-them occasions. graemlins/file_23.gif ;)
Shane
And, I like the idea of having a monk or cleric that can boost his wisdom just by having sex. graemlins/file_23.gif That's strangely appropriate. In my younger years my Wisdom went up a few points the morning after on a few wish-I-could-forget-them occasions. graemlins/file_23.gif ;)
Shane
eclipse
February 9th, 2004, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by Randy Tyler:
Now I can start to make my pitch to Hunter and Martin about my new T20 book, "Interspecies and Robotic Sex in the Far Future of the Traveller Universes".
:eek:
It will be a purely scientific study and not a brief glimpse of flesh merely for carnal satisfaction. I will begin the book with the present day aliens who come to earth's remote rural regions to mutilate livestock and take sex slaves aboard thier ship for experimentation and end with the geneered Vilani-Hiver crossbreed the K'Kree are trying to develop in 1248. I am not doing this just for publicity but as a serious piece of work for all of Traveller's fans to enjoy (and to offer insights on how they can have their characters enjoy sex during a gaming session with other species, despite the inherent difficulties). graemlins/file_23.gif You should dig up the old Traveller document that covers the sexual habits of Vargr & Aslan. It was well written. It reads like a text book instead of an erotic guide.
Now I can start to make my pitch to Hunter and Martin about my new T20 book, "Interspecies and Robotic Sex in the Far Future of the Traveller Universes".
:eek:
It will be a purely scientific study and not a brief glimpse of flesh merely for carnal satisfaction. I will begin the book with the present day aliens who come to earth's remote rural regions to mutilate livestock and take sex slaves aboard thier ship for experimentation and end with the geneered Vilani-Hiver crossbreed the K'Kree are trying to develop in 1248. I am not doing this just for publicity but as a serious piece of work for all of Traveller's fans to enjoy (and to offer insights on how they can have their characters enjoy sex during a gaming session with other species, despite the inherent difficulties). graemlins/file_23.gif You should dig up the old Traveller document that covers the sexual habits of Vargr & Aslan. It was well written. It reads like a text book instead of an erotic guide.
Spinward Scout
March 7th, 2004, 07:25 PM
I don't think anyone is suggesting that you turn your game into Pornos and Penises. But just look at the SciFi genre in general for this: Jim Kirk on the old Star Trek TV show went after any woman that moved in his direction (including crewmembers - which would be called sexual harassment now), but it was tame and limited to kissing (oooh - the first interracial kiss on TV). Now you have shows like Lexx that is just filled with images and innuendoes about sex. It's up to you whether or not you want to have something like this in your game. Just don't begrude someone else the right to have it in their game if they want. All you gotta do is say "NotIMTU".
Thanks,
Scout
Thanks,
Scout
jwdh71
March 7th, 2004, 11:43 PM
Well, to each his own, I guess. I think that the people here getting snarky about this are being a little silly though. I've been in campaigns where this sort of supplement would be very handy, and also campaigns where it would be inappropriate. Among mature gamers (you did note that the book was for mature gamers, didn't you?) that role-play all aspects of their character's lives, having a book that gave some GAME RULES for sexual activities would be much handier than the GM ruling by fiat what happens. And using the magical aspects of sex would make an interesting change of pace from the neverending hordes of Demons and Necromancers that end up populating most magical role playing worlds.
I do think it needs to be age appropriate though, and by that I mean mental age. I know teenagers who have the maturity to use this material in a game, and thirty year old gamers I wouldn't even let see the book.
I do think it needs to be age appropriate though, and by that I mean mental age. I know teenagers who have the maturity to use this material in a game, and thirty year old gamers I wouldn't even let see the book.
flykiller
March 8th, 2004, 01:13 AM
Why would anyone want this?RPG's are all about getting to do things in a game world that you can't do in real life.
Nurd_boy
March 8th, 2004, 02:24 AM
Originally posted by Shane Mclean:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Pagan priest:
And, I like the idea of having a monk or cleric that can boost his wisdom just by having sex. graemlins/file_23.gif That's strangely appropriate. In my younger years my Wisdom went up a few points the morning after on a few wish-I-could-forget-them occasions. graemlins/file_23.gif ;)
Shane </font>[/QUOTE]to bad about that celabate requirement thing.... :eek:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Pagan priest:
And, I like the idea of having a monk or cleric that can boost his wisdom just by having sex. graemlins/file_23.gif That's strangely appropriate. In my younger years my Wisdom went up a few points the morning after on a few wish-I-could-forget-them occasions. graemlins/file_23.gif ;)
Shane </font>[/QUOTE]to bad about that celabate requirement thing.... :eek:
Tucker
March 8th, 2004, 02:59 AM
If folks are publishing D20 sex guides, when do the rules for tag and hide&seek come out? Oooh, can't wait for GenCon! ;)
I think maybe I'll handle the Sarcasm and General Crudity Manual. I got dibs you bastiches! tongue.gif
I do think I'll throw my hat in the "interesting, but useless to me" ring. Our group was perfectly capable of handling the issues around fornicatin' without help, granted the maturity level has changed over the course of 20 or so years. It is nice that a publisher took the sex sells bit to the next level, not just the usual 'cover art' to attract horny bereft boys.
I think maybe I'll handle the Sarcasm and General Crudity Manual. I got dibs you bastiches! tongue.gif
I do think I'll throw my hat in the "interesting, but useless to me" ring. Our group was perfectly capable of handling the issues around fornicatin' without help, granted the maturity level has changed over the course of 20 or so years. It is nice that a publisher took the sex sells bit to the next level, not just the usual 'cover art' to attract horny bereft boys.
Drakon
March 17th, 2004, 09:32 AM
Lets see, For hide and seek, that should involve Hiding skills, as well as scan....
Look, you are all right. It is silly and a waste of money, and should only be used by mature audiences. And some folks find the dice throwing for sexual congress a bit fun. (Maybe not as much as the real thing, but so what?)
I can see where rules regarding pregnancy and disease transmission may come in handy. (That gal on Berkshire gave me WHAT????) And I can also see how such dice rolling may help a nervous couple.
Its all in fun. And that is what gaming should be.
Look, you are all right. It is silly and a waste of money, and should only be used by mature audiences. And some folks find the dice throwing for sexual congress a bit fun. (Maybe not as much as the real thing, but so what?)
I can see where rules regarding pregnancy and disease transmission may come in handy. (That gal on Berkshire gave me WHAT????) And I can also see how such dice rolling may help a nervous couple.
Its all in fun. And that is what gaming should be.
anthryax
March 17th, 2004, 06:31 PM
Personally, I find the idea for the book just hilarious myself. Bet sales are brisk too.
Seriously though, its all just for fun. I have lots of roleplaying materials, including a lot of Traveler stuff, that I picked up just to read and not seriously ever intending to use (especially since nobody in the little city I live in ever seems to have played Traveller for example).
A responsible retailer will not be selling it to the kids, and if a kid orders it online, well, Mom should be checking on him (after all, he could be getting Playboy or Penthouse just as easily).
So why worry?
I would love to have it, I bet its funnier in hell in some respects, much more fun than the Human Sexuality college textbook I still have around the house from that amusing college course.
Besides, I used to play in a D & D game were the two sexual participants would simply role a d20 to see who performed the best (talk about your task roles!)
After all, roleplaying games can be as serious or silly as the gamers want them to be.
Besides, just think of the kinky fun a couple could have with it
Seriously though, its all just for fun. I have lots of roleplaying materials, including a lot of Traveler stuff, that I picked up just to read and not seriously ever intending to use (especially since nobody in the little city I live in ever seems to have played Traveller for example).
A responsible retailer will not be selling it to the kids, and if a kid orders it online, well, Mom should be checking on him (after all, he could be getting Playboy or Penthouse just as easily).
So why worry?
I would love to have it, I bet its funnier in hell in some respects, much more fun than the Human Sexuality college textbook I still have around the house from that amusing college course.
Besides, I used to play in a D & D game were the two sexual participants would simply role a d20 to see who performed the best (talk about your task roles!)
After all, roleplaying games can be as serious or silly as the gamers want them to be.
Besides, just think of the kinky fun a couple could have with it
Baron Saarthuran
March 17th, 2004, 11:11 PM
I'd rather not think about that...
I'm sure this is done in jest, but its the sort of jest that many could get offended by, and say "Look, I told you they were freaks." It may be the case, but it lowers the bar for RPGs a bit. This particular hobby has a bad enough social disadvantage as it stands...
Plus, "D&D" implies kids playing it, especially in basic form... i'm not sure how keen i'd be if my son or nephew got hold of this... better they learn it on the street (haha). "For Mature Readers" basically means "Read the forbidden book, Children"
Plus,, any of that stuff can be done by characterization... rolling for it is quite silly... and more than a little sad...
I'm sure this is done in jest, but its the sort of jest that many could get offended by, and say "Look, I told you they were freaks." It may be the case, but it lowers the bar for RPGs a bit. This particular hobby has a bad enough social disadvantage as it stands...
Plus, "D&D" implies kids playing it, especially in basic form... i'm not sure how keen i'd be if my son or nephew got hold of this... better they learn it on the street (haha). "For Mature Readers" basically means "Read the forbidden book, Children"
Plus,, any of that stuff can be done by characterization... rolling for it is quite silly... and more than a little sad...
Spinward Scout
March 18th, 2004, 10:30 AM
Uh, no, I don't think it was done as a joke. It looks pretty serious. I'm getting kinda sorry I started this topic. Just don't let it turn into a brawl, please...
Scout
P.S. I did see the Slayer's Guide to Rules Lawyers the other day. Now that was done as a joke (I HOPE!).
Scout
P.S. I did see the Slayer's Guide to Rules Lawyers the other day. Now that was done as a joke (I HOPE!).
anthryax
March 18th, 2004, 11:49 AM
Don't worry, I see no need to brawl. I tend to view role playing as a game first, and don't take it too seriously anymore. A sense of humor about these things go a long way.
Incidently, I meant AD & D, and it was in the 1980s. Gaming groups differ, what is appropriate in one is not in another, just like any other situation. A certain amount of levity is always good though.
Obviously I wouldn't want my teenager using that book, but then, I don't want him looking at internet porn, or visiting strip joints either. Thats my job, to keep him out of trouble.
Slayers guide to rules lawyers? Definitely sounds like a good farcial satire. Just like the one you first mentioned.
In literature, a good satire is a story that is believable, but farcial.
Incidently, I meant AD & D, and it was in the 1980s. Gaming groups differ, what is appropriate in one is not in another, just like any other situation. A certain amount of levity is always good though.
Obviously I wouldn't want my teenager using that book, but then, I don't want him looking at internet porn, or visiting strip joints either. Thats my job, to keep him out of trouble.
Slayers guide to rules lawyers? Definitely sounds like a good farcial satire. Just like the one you first mentioned.
In literature, a good satire is a story that is believable, but farcial.
Baron Saarthuran
March 18th, 2004, 06:52 PM
No Brawl was intended, lords, merely making an observation... aside from whatever the popular perception of it may be, I for one view RPgs as a great tool for education... if properly used... I sort of react badly when it is slighted, or made fun of... or made out to be a silly thing... or a dangerous thing...
Sorry...
Sorry...
chatdemon
March 31st, 2004, 07:05 PM
Originally posted by Malenfant:
while the other half (who hadn't bought it and had prejudged it anyway) were, inbetween their incoherent ranting and frothing, screaming about how it was utterly obscene, was going to destroy the RPG industry, and was utterly disgusting pornography that should be burnt from the shelves.
Well, I for one didn't buy the thing, but I did check out their preview material and give the book a good looking over at the game shop before totally judging it.
Obscene? No, not really. Tasteless and irrelevant for my game? Yes, IMO. I've always preferred the old "ok, the TAS club waitress is pretty tipsy after that Zhodani whiskey you shared with her, she follows you back to the hotel..." approach where the scene immediately shifts back to the rest of the group or on to the next day and the details of the romantic encounters are left to the player's imaginations, if they care to dwell on them.
In other words, I just have no use for something like this, and I have a strong hunch that a vast majority of gamers would agree. The product struck me as a shameless cash grab, and seeing the finished product didn't change my mind. I'm sure there are a few folks out there who do want this kind of thing for their game, but I'm not one of them.
while the other half (who hadn't bought it and had prejudged it anyway) were, inbetween their incoherent ranting and frothing, screaming about how it was utterly obscene, was going to destroy the RPG industry, and was utterly disgusting pornography that should be burnt from the shelves.
Well, I for one didn't buy the thing, but I did check out their preview material and give the book a good looking over at the game shop before totally judging it.
Obscene? No, not really. Tasteless and irrelevant for my game? Yes, IMO. I've always preferred the old "ok, the TAS club waitress is pretty tipsy after that Zhodani whiskey you shared with her, she follows you back to the hotel..." approach where the scene immediately shifts back to the rest of the group or on to the next day and the details of the romantic encounters are left to the player's imaginations, if they care to dwell on them.
In other words, I just have no use for something like this, and I have a strong hunch that a vast majority of gamers would agree. The product struck me as a shameless cash grab, and seeing the finished product didn't change my mind. I'm sure there are a few folks out there who do want this kind of thing for their game, but I'm not one of them.
Baron Saarthuran
March 31st, 2004, 08:30 PM
me niether... I recently did what you did, had a bit of a preview... i wouldnt say obscene either , but I would say "Cheesy" or "The work of someone not really in tune with what sexual relationships are like, even zany fantasy ones..."
It gave me the same sort of feeling when I saw my first Phil Foglio or Bill Willingham porn comic... Willingham was one of the early greats in D&D, sure, but I just think comics about centaurs and snake people humping is a little, um, creepy to me...
That goes ditto for Phil. I found the obvious humor of "Phil and Dixie" very tiresome, even as a kid... lot of cornball stuff... his later sex stuff was just plain disturbingly cheesy, as is most cartoon porn in my opinion...
The author needs to get out more... or find a non inflatable girlfreind, or not live under the illusion that strippers that call him "honey" are his girlfreind...
It gave me the same sort of feeling when I saw my first Phil Foglio or Bill Willingham porn comic... Willingham was one of the early greats in D&D, sure, but I just think comics about centaurs and snake people humping is a little, um, creepy to me...
That goes ditto for Phil. I found the obvious humor of "Phil and Dixie" very tiresome, even as a kid... lot of cornball stuff... his later sex stuff was just plain disturbingly cheesy, as is most cartoon porn in my opinion...
The author needs to get out more... or find a non inflatable girlfreind, or not live under the illusion that strippers that call him "honey" are his girlfreind...
Shadowdancer
March 31st, 2004, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by Baron Saarthuran von Gushiddan:
The author needs to get out more... or find a non inflatable girlfreind, or not live under the illusion that strippers that call him "honey" are his girlfreind... The book's author is female.
The author needs to get out more... or find a non inflatable girlfreind, or not live under the illusion that strippers that call him "honey" are his girlfreind... The book's author is female.
belter
March 31st, 2004, 11:07 PM
Only in a satire making fun of gamers can I imagine a group of guys sitting around a table staring at a ref who's saying, "Ok, on a 1 or a 2 you get the clap, on a 3 or 4 you get . . ."
I'd say on a 1-4 Hunter decides to shut this one down in 1d6 more replies.
I'd say on a 1-4 Hunter decides to shut this one down in 1d6 more replies.
Baron Saarthuran
April 1st, 2004, 01:27 AM
"The book's author is female."
Uhh... sure...
Uhh... sure...
jasper
April 1st, 2004, 08:56 AM
and phil is married last time I heard.
Baron Saarthuran
April 1st, 2004, 09:18 AM
Pardon Lords, please replace "author" with the CEO guy, Tony V., the Todd McFarlane of RPGs...
TKalbfus
April 1st, 2004, 12:08 PM
One problem is that its hard to be sexy in Battledress.
clementk
April 1st, 2004, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by Tom Kalbfus:
One problem is that its hard to be sexy in Battledress. Evidently you never saw Bubblegum Crisis/Crash/2040 then... graemlins/file_23.gif ;)
sample 1 (http://web.cs.mun.ca/~anime/afs/images/bgc/bgcld1.jpg)
sample 2 (http://web.cs.mun.ca/~anime/afs/images/bgc/bgcld4.jpg)
page of hardsuit designs (http://www.tokyo2040.com/gallery/designs/mecha.shtml)
Sure it's not IMPSPEC but it's not my fault the Third Imperium is mired in Vilani intertia. tongue.gif
Casey
One problem is that its hard to be sexy in Battledress. Evidently you never saw Bubblegum Crisis/Crash/2040 then... graemlins/file_23.gif ;)
sample 1 (http://web.cs.mun.ca/~anime/afs/images/bgc/bgcld1.jpg)
sample 2 (http://web.cs.mun.ca/~anime/afs/images/bgc/bgcld4.jpg)
page of hardsuit designs (http://www.tokyo2040.com/gallery/designs/mecha.shtml)
Sure it's not IMPSPEC but it's not my fault the Third Imperium is mired in Vilani intertia. tongue.gif
Casey
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