weasel fierce
February 23rd, 2007, 09:43 PM
Had some spare cash lying around, so I figured, what the heck. Courtesy of ebay, I have a Megatraveller box set (so I dont have to borrow anymore), as well as the Traveller TNE and MM's Traveller (T4?) coming to me.
Just need a copy of GURPS traveller and Im complete (dont play D20 much) smile.gif
Yes, I get obsessive about gaming stuff... have 3 versions of Runequest on the shelf, and I like all of them equally
I cant be the only one though. ?
Just need a copy of GURPS traveller and Im complete (dont play D20 much) smile.gif
Yes, I get obsessive about gaming stuff... have 3 versions of Runequest on the shelf, and I like all of them equally
I cant be the only one though. ?
Rhialto the Marvelous
February 23rd, 2007, 09:46 PM
Hardly (sigh).
Blue Ghost
February 23rd, 2007, 10:53 PM
Or, as the girlfriend of a friend on another BBS calls it; "nerd porn."
Merxiless
February 23rd, 2007, 10:56 PM
I think we last counted my inventory at 35 crates of games. 6 crates of which are various versions of Traveller, with many spares.
Rhialto the Marvelous
February 24th, 2007, 01:35 PM
Guess what just happened?
I was outbid, YET AGAIN, on GT Behind the Claw.
Nothing newsworthy, but I was in the lead until 10 secs before closing... and was outbid not by one but BY TWO PEOPLE SIMULTANEOUSLY. Both of whom must have entered their bids within those last ten secs.
&52.66 plus shipping.
Madness, I tell ya.
I was outbid, YET AGAIN, on GT Behind the Claw.
Nothing newsworthy, but I was in the lead until 10 secs before closing... and was outbid not by one but BY TWO PEOPLE SIMULTANEOUSLY. Both of whom must have entered their bids within those last ten secs.
&52.66 plus shipping.
Madness, I tell ya.
The Shaman
February 24th, 2007, 02:34 PM
Some of the OoP Traveller prices on eBay get a bit ridiculous, and the bidding on certain items can be brutally cutthroat, but there are some real bargains to be had at times if you're persistent and a little lucky.
Rhialto the Marvelous
February 24th, 2007, 02:47 PM
I know... I got tons of stuff for fairly little, including a near mint Fifth Frontier War for under 50 bucks, the pride of my little collection.
But when it comes to BtC everyone agrees they must go apeshit. It's like an unwritten consensus. There's an ebay store that's offering it for $170.
BtC isn't even particularly good. It's simply that it's all we have, that SJG's print run was way too small, and that so far they've refused to make it a pdf.
But when it comes to BtC everyone agrees they must go apeshit. It's like an unwritten consensus. There's an ebay store that's offering it for $170.
BtC isn't even particularly good. It's simply that it's all we have, that SJG's print run was way too small, and that so far they've refused to make it a pdf.
JohnHaus
February 24th, 2007, 04:40 PM
Could they not just make another print run of BtC? I for one would buy. PDF would be fine with me and cheaper.
The Shaman
February 24th, 2007, 07:23 PM
Originally posted by ChipH:
Could they not just make another print run of BtC?That's probably prohibitive costwise.
I've never seen it, but I've read that BtC has a lot of errors in need of fixing, too - any G:T fans out there who can verify this?
Could they not just make another print run of BtC?That's probably prohibitive costwise.
I've never seen it, but I've read that BtC has a lot of errors in need of fixing, too - any G:T fans out there who can verify this?
Icosahedron
February 25th, 2007, 02:35 AM
Originally posted by Rhialto the Marvelous:
Guess what just happened?
I was outbid, YET AGAIN, on GT Behind the Claw.
Nothing newsworthy, but I was in the lead until 10 secs before closing... and was outbid not by one but BY TWO PEOPLE SIMULTANEOUSLY. Both of whom must have entered their bids within those last ten secs.
&52.66 plus shipping.
Madness, I tell ya. Sounds like snipers from this side of the pond. Blame it on the exchange rate. 52 USD is about 26 GBP and new rulebooks can fetch those prices on the high street over here, so it's no big deal. I'm buying one or two things from the states just now. smile.gif
(It wasn't me, BTW) ;)
Guess what just happened?
I was outbid, YET AGAIN, on GT Behind the Claw.
Nothing newsworthy, but I was in the lead until 10 secs before closing... and was outbid not by one but BY TWO PEOPLE SIMULTANEOUSLY. Both of whom must have entered their bids within those last ten secs.
&52.66 plus shipping.
Madness, I tell ya. Sounds like snipers from this side of the pond. Blame it on the exchange rate. 52 USD is about 26 GBP and new rulebooks can fetch those prices on the high street over here, so it's no big deal. I'm buying one or two things from the states just now. smile.gif
(It wasn't me, BTW) ;)
Plankowner
February 26th, 2007, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by Blue Ghost:
Or, as the girlfriend of a friend on another BBS calls it; "nerd porn." I keep all mine in THREE large moving boxes when not in active use (separated by category and game (1 Fantasy, 1 SF and 1 Traveller).
Nerd Porn is EXACTLY RIGHT as we are often embarrassed to show it to others...
Or, as the girlfriend of a friend on another BBS calls it; "nerd porn." I keep all mine in THREE large moving boxes when not in active use (separated by category and game (1 Fantasy, 1 SF and 1 Traveller).
Nerd Porn is EXACTLY RIGHT as we are often embarrassed to show it to others...
Jeffr0
February 26th, 2007, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by The Shaman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ChipH:
Could they not just make another print run of BtC?That's probably prohibitive costwise.
I've never seen it, but I've read that BtC has a lot of errors in need of fixing, too - any G:T fans out there who can verify this? </font>[/QUOTE]The word on the street is that they published a draft instead of the final edited version.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ChipH:
Could they not just make another print run of BtC?That's probably prohibitive costwise.
I've never seen it, but I've read that BtC has a lot of errors in need of fixing, too - any G:T fans out there who can verify this? </font>[/QUOTE]The word on the street is that they published a draft instead of the final edited version.
MJD
February 26th, 2007, 07:22 PM
Pretty much.
vutpakdi
February 26th, 2007, 08:08 PM
You might check used bookstores every now and again. I picked up a used copy of Behind the Claw for $8 at a Half Price Books some time back. Maybe I should go visit ebay... ;)
Ron
Ron
Kenposan
February 26th, 2007, 08:17 PM
Nerd porn, I like that. No, wait, that means I have lots of porn in my basement...
The trick with ebay is to always be on the lookout. I got a WEG star wars book for around $25 when it normally went for around $50-$70. Somehow we were meant to be... aaaah. er, um... what porn? LOL
The trick with ebay is to always be on the lookout. I got a WEG star wars book for around $25 when it normally went for around $50-$70. Somehow we were meant to be... aaaah. er, um... what porn? LOL
Merxiless
February 26th, 2007, 10:08 PM
I've personally bought a copy of Grand Survey off of eBay for 20.00, it was listed as "Dungeons and Dragons Book."
That kind of thing happens, too. Or people bid so high on the first copy of something the next two things in line go for peanuts.
And, there are a lot of shill bidders out there that jack up the price, and 5 minutes after the auction ends, the seller is saying, oh the last guy backed out, but you can have it for 1.00 less...(after his shill has bid it way past what it is worth.
I tell those people to urinate up a rope.
That kind of thing happens, too. Or people bid so high on the first copy of something the next two things in line go for peanuts.
And, there are a lot of shill bidders out there that jack up the price, and 5 minutes after the auction ends, the seller is saying, oh the last guy backed out, but you can have it for 1.00 less...(after his shill has bid it way past what it is worth.
I tell those people to urinate up a rope.
Darkhstarr
March 6th, 2007, 10:29 PM
Especially can be cutthroat on original Traveller art. Had to sell my artwork along with most of my Traveller collection to pay for my eye surgery. Most of the art sold for less than I paid for it-but that's life. I've got a small fund a got for Xmas for bidding but I've keep it within limits. And I always bid for stuff that needs work-like most of my ship minis.
Have to stop that though. Have to have an implant in my lower jaw & insurance won't pay for it.
Have to stop that though. Have to have an implant in my lower jaw & insurance won't pay for it.
Maladominus
March 7th, 2007, 12:36 AM
Originally posted by Merxiless:
And, there are a lot of shill bidders out there that jack up the price, and 5 minutes after the auction ends, the seller is saying, oh the last guy backed out, but you can have it for 1.00 less...(after his shill has bid it way past what it is worth.I always suspected that the majority of eBay sellers have shills or bots working for them to jack up the prices.
And, there are a lot of shill bidders out there that jack up the price, and 5 minutes after the auction ends, the seller is saying, oh the last guy backed out, but you can have it for 1.00 less...(after his shill has bid it way past what it is worth.I always suspected that the majority of eBay sellers have shills or bots working for them to jack up the prices.
Merxiless
March 7th, 2007, 03:05 AM
Well one Ebay seller you can trust, that doesn't shill or bot: that cool guy that runs ocelotgames.
;)
;)
vutpakdi
March 7th, 2007, 06:26 AM
I think that most ebay sellers are on the up and up. I'm sure that there are some people who have shills or bots trying to jack up the prices, but I've never felt that I've run across them for anything that I've purchased.
I have run across people who will come in and snipe at the last minute (or second), but that's it.
Ron
I have run across people who will come in and snipe at the last minute (or second), but that's it.
Ron
kafka47
March 7th, 2007, 09:28 AM
Where I find most eBay sellers to be stinkers are in that they are very poor losers. If the list something small like 10 dice for .99$ they then add p&h fees of $12 to cover their loss on the grounds that they can charge handling fees of any amount (not true, eBay has a policy of reasonableness). Another drawback that eBay refuses to deal with claims under $25, and sometimes the internal clock of paypal is screwed up so you end up shelling out up to $24.99 with no recourse. Sellers like sellers everywhere are good, bad and in between. Secret is find one that you can trust and build a relationship. My favorite one for Traveller stuff is a guy who goes by the handle Timmon who will selling some more stuff soon.
JohnHaus
March 7th, 2007, 09:49 AM
I've both bought and sold on ebay. A couple of hundred items total.
If an item doesn't have the shipping fee stated, I will not bid (if it's something I really, really want, then I email him and ask what it will be).
I've been known to snipe since early bidding only seems to raise the final price.
When selling, I state that I will only charge shipping, never handling. If I know what the final price of shipping will be, I state it. So far it has worked for me.
If an item doesn't have the shipping fee stated, I will not bid (if it's something I really, really want, then I email him and ask what it will be).
I've been known to snipe since early bidding only seems to raise the final price.
When selling, I state that I will only charge shipping, never handling. If I know what the final price of shipping will be, I state it. So far it has worked for me.
Darkhstarr
March 7th, 2007, 09:23 PM
Sniping can be annoying, especially when there's been no bids on an item, & you place a bid the last day & lose it to a sniper who hits a few seconds from the end when you can't bid again.
As for people who bid up prices not all are shills. Some are just jerks who like to bid items up just to annoy. I've seen it at art auctions at SF cons over 3 decades. I have had the joy of seeing it backfire & having the smuck get stuck with a piece they didn't want a couple of times. The most annoying auction experience happened at a con auction. I had the winning bid on a piece of original art & had it stolen from the con personnel before I could pay for it. Of course not all Traveller stuff sells on ebay at very low prices. I have some Judges Guild stuff that didn't sell. I thinking I might donate them to the local gaming con's fundraising auction. :D
As for people who bid up prices not all are shills. Some are just jerks who like to bid items up just to annoy. I've seen it at art auctions at SF cons over 3 decades. I have had the joy of seeing it backfire & having the smuck get stuck with a piece they didn't want a couple of times. The most annoying auction experience happened at a con auction. I had the winning bid on a piece of original art & had it stolen from the con personnel before I could pay for it. Of course not all Traveller stuff sells on ebay at very low prices. I have some Judges Guild stuff that didn't sell. I thinking I might donate them to the local gaming con's fundraising auction. :D
Hal
March 8th, 2007, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by The Shaman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ChipH:
Could they not just make another print run of BtC?That's probably prohibitive costwise.
I've never seen it, but I've read that BtC has a lot of errors in need of fixing, too - any G:T fans out there who can verify this? </font>[/QUOTE]As a GURPS fan, I can verify that the book has a LOT of errors in it. Point of interest: I was working on creating a populated database that would basically take the scut work out of GURPS FAR TRADER. It was intended to also use GURPS SPACE for 4e to generate planetary data so I can just click on a world name, and it would pull up the data. I was rather surprised when I got tired of dealing with 7 pages of errata - and went back to the original Traveller database from another program (HEAVEN AND EARTH). The shock my friends, was in discovering that there were something like FIVE star systems in HEAVEN AND EARTH that weren't in GURPS BEHIND THE CLAW and/or GURPS FAR TRADER. Grrrrr.
So what am I doing now? I used the original listings from Heaven and Earth in the original Universal World Profiles, and then translated THOSE into GURPS terms. Later on, I might go back and use the planetary Diameters listed in GURPS BEHIND THE CLAW, or I might just make it a random die roll and enter those numbers in.
One last comment on my project and then I'll let it rest:
In reading the rules more closely with FAR TRADER, I discovered something I really didn't like. To wit: there are rules that more or less simulate the concept that there is competition for freight by other traders. These rules are that you roll against the character's merchant skill to see what the "price per parsec per dton" is on the assumption that the characters are bidding against others to get the best price they can get. A poor merchant roll results in low income per parsec per dton. A good merchant roll results in Higher than average prices per dton per parsec. Oddly enough - there is NO such mechanism for getting passengers. As I mentioned to Mr Thrash, before he got to making snide comments - it seems mighty odd that they can estimate the tonnage required to handle a world's shipping, but that they can't estimate how much tramp freighter tonnage is in port. I found it interesting too, that a Player Character ship in a port that wants service for 3,000 dtons of tramp service daily, has to roll for competative pricing on freight, but gets to CHOOSE to take all the available High Passengers in port that day. Hmmm. Competition my ass. graemlins/file_21.gif
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ChipH:
Could they not just make another print run of BtC?That's probably prohibitive costwise.
I've never seen it, but I've read that BtC has a lot of errors in need of fixing, too - any G:T fans out there who can verify this? </font>[/QUOTE]As a GURPS fan, I can verify that the book has a LOT of errors in it. Point of interest: I was working on creating a populated database that would basically take the scut work out of GURPS FAR TRADER. It was intended to also use GURPS SPACE for 4e to generate planetary data so I can just click on a world name, and it would pull up the data. I was rather surprised when I got tired of dealing with 7 pages of errata - and went back to the original Traveller database from another program (HEAVEN AND EARTH). The shock my friends, was in discovering that there were something like FIVE star systems in HEAVEN AND EARTH that weren't in GURPS BEHIND THE CLAW and/or GURPS FAR TRADER. Grrrrr.
So what am I doing now? I used the original listings from Heaven and Earth in the original Universal World Profiles, and then translated THOSE into GURPS terms. Later on, I might go back and use the planetary Diameters listed in GURPS BEHIND THE CLAW, or I might just make it a random die roll and enter those numbers in.
One last comment on my project and then I'll let it rest:
In reading the rules more closely with FAR TRADER, I discovered something I really didn't like. To wit: there are rules that more or less simulate the concept that there is competition for freight by other traders. These rules are that you roll against the character's merchant skill to see what the "price per parsec per dton" is on the assumption that the characters are bidding against others to get the best price they can get. A poor merchant roll results in low income per parsec per dton. A good merchant roll results in Higher than average prices per dton per parsec. Oddly enough - there is NO such mechanism for getting passengers. As I mentioned to Mr Thrash, before he got to making snide comments - it seems mighty odd that they can estimate the tonnage required to handle a world's shipping, but that they can't estimate how much tramp freighter tonnage is in port. I found it interesting too, that a Player Character ship in a port that wants service for 3,000 dtons of tramp service daily, has to roll for competative pricing on freight, but gets to CHOOSE to take all the available High Passengers in port that day. Hmmm. Competition my ass. graemlins/file_21.gif
Klaus
March 12th, 2007, 01:47 PM
Well I've just acquired both BtC and TTA from eBay, so now I'm very happy indeed.
There's nothing immoral whatsoever about a last minute snipe bid. Tis how I got the TTA. If you want something then you are beholden to use any and all means that are not illegal or dishonest.
eBay is like poker. Bluff and counterbluff are all legitimate actions.
Originally posted by Manax Darkhstarr:
As for people who bid up prices not all are shills. Some are just jerks who like to bid items up just to annoy. I've seen it at art auctions at SF cons over 3 decades. I have had the joy of seeing it backfire & having the smuck get stuck with a piece they didn't want a couple of times. Not so. Not all such bids are to annoy. You can have tactical bidding, just as you can have tactical voting. Sometimes you have an opponent bidding on something you really want, who is also bidding on other things. By making them pay more for that stuff, they have less money in the pot to bid on the thing you want. And it's a risk; if the other bidder doesn't take the bait, then you end up with something you don't want. C'est la vie. This may be devious, but it is not dishonest, and is all fair. Your opponent may be losing, but the seller wins.
Caveat Emptor, and all that...
There's nothing immoral whatsoever about a last minute snipe bid. Tis how I got the TTA. If you want something then you are beholden to use any and all means that are not illegal or dishonest.
eBay is like poker. Bluff and counterbluff are all legitimate actions.
Originally posted by Manax Darkhstarr:
As for people who bid up prices not all are shills. Some are just jerks who like to bid items up just to annoy. I've seen it at art auctions at SF cons over 3 decades. I have had the joy of seeing it backfire & having the smuck get stuck with a piece they didn't want a couple of times. Not so. Not all such bids are to annoy. You can have tactical bidding, just as you can have tactical voting. Sometimes you have an opponent bidding on something you really want, who is also bidding on other things. By making them pay more for that stuff, they have less money in the pot to bid on the thing you want. And it's a risk; if the other bidder doesn't take the bait, then you end up with something you don't want. C'est la vie. This may be devious, but it is not dishonest, and is all fair. Your opponent may be losing, but the seller wins.
Caveat Emptor, and all that...
Darkhstarr
March 15th, 2007, 12:24 AM
Originally posted by Klaus:
Well I've just acquired both BtC and TTA from eBay, so now I'm very happy indeed.
Not so, indeed. I did say some. And those are instances that I knew that spite, not tacttic were in play. But that also part of the game you have to deal with in live auctions. And personally I don't like sniping-I prefer a straight forward bidding competion. I get a better feeling losing due to being outbidded & having a chance to decide whether I really want the item-and I won't snipe another bidder for the same reason.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Manax Darkhstarr:
As for people who bid up prices not all are shills. Some are just jerks who like to bid items up just to annoy. I've seen it at art auctions at SF cons over 3 decades. I have had the joy of seeing it backfire & having the smuck get stuck with a piece they didn't want a couple of times. Not so. Not all such bids are to annoy. You can have tactical bidding, just as you can have tactical voting. Sometimes you have an opponent bidding on something you really want, who is also bidding on other things. By making them pay more for that stuff, they have less money in the pot to bid on the thing you want. And it's a risk; if the other bidder doesn't take the bait, then you end up with something you don't want. C'est la vie. This may be devious, but it is not dishonest, and is all fair. Your opponent may be losing, but the seller wins.
Caveat Emptor, and all that... </font>[/QUOTE]
Well I've just acquired both BtC and TTA from eBay, so now I'm very happy indeed.
Not so, indeed. I did say some. And those are instances that I knew that spite, not tacttic were in play. But that also part of the game you have to deal with in live auctions. And personally I don't like sniping-I prefer a straight forward bidding competion. I get a better feeling losing due to being outbidded & having a chance to decide whether I really want the item-and I won't snipe another bidder for the same reason.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Manax Darkhstarr:
As for people who bid up prices not all are shills. Some are just jerks who like to bid items up just to annoy. I've seen it at art auctions at SF cons over 3 decades. I have had the joy of seeing it backfire & having the smuck get stuck with a piece they didn't want a couple of times. Not so. Not all such bids are to annoy. You can have tactical bidding, just as you can have tactical voting. Sometimes you have an opponent bidding on something you really want, who is also bidding on other things. By making them pay more for that stuff, they have less money in the pot to bid on the thing you want. And it's a risk; if the other bidder doesn't take the bait, then you end up with something you don't want. C'est la vie. This may be devious, but it is not dishonest, and is all fair. Your opponent may be losing, but the seller wins.
Caveat Emptor, and all that... </font>[/QUOTE]
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