gardclan
November 20th, 2002, 12:23 PM
OK, I'm not sure it this has been posted before...
What are the mottoes used by the various armed forces in your respective Traveller Universes? For example, the US Marines (in popular belief, at least) hold to "Semper Fi"... the Marines in the Honor Harrington Universe use "Can Do"; while the US Army has pretty much a different motto for every unit. I have no idea about what the armies of other countries might use, but I'd be willing to bet at least $0.05 that they each have something similar.
All well and good.
But what would the Scout service use? Or the Imperial navy? Or (God forbid) the Imperial Merchant Marine?
Any ideas?
What are the mottoes used by the various armed forces in your respective Traveller Universes? For example, the US Marines (in popular belief, at least) hold to "Semper Fi"... the Marines in the Honor Harrington Universe use "Can Do"; while the US Army has pretty much a different motto for every unit. I have no idea about what the armies of other countries might use, but I'd be willing to bet at least $0.05 that they each have something similar.
All well and good.
But what would the Scout service use? Or the Imperial navy? Or (God forbid) the Imperial Merchant Marine?
Any ideas?
William
November 20th, 2002, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by Darth Sillyus:
But what would the Scout service use? Or the Imperial navy? Or (God forbid) the Imperial Merchant Marine?
Any ideas?By G:T canon, the Scouts use "First In".
William
But what would the Scout service use? Or the Imperial navy? Or (God forbid) the Imperial Merchant Marine?
Any ideas?By G:T canon, the Scouts use "First In".
William
lord irial
November 20th, 2002, 01:09 PM
The joke responses-
Scout Service: "Imperial Express - When It Absolutely Has To Be There Over The Long Night."
Imperial Navy: "Fidelity, without the simpering or being sick."
Imperial Army: "Be all you're told to be."
Okay, for real responses-
Imperial Navy: "Fulcire dico astra" Strength Among Stars (okay, my Latin isn't so good).
Imperial Marines: "Sic Semper Fidelis"
Imperial Army: "In Omne Tempus Custodae" Forever Be On Guard
Imperial Scouts: "Captare" Seek
This of course assumes that Third Imperium uses Latin mottoes...
Scout Service: "Imperial Express - When It Absolutely Has To Be There Over The Long Night."
Imperial Navy: "Fidelity, without the simpering or being sick."
Imperial Army: "Be all you're told to be."
Okay, for real responses-
Imperial Navy: "Fulcire dico astra" Strength Among Stars (okay, my Latin isn't so good).
Imperial Marines: "Sic Semper Fidelis"
Imperial Army: "In Omne Tempus Custodae" Forever Be On Guard
Imperial Scouts: "Captare" Seek
This of course assumes that Third Imperium uses Latin mottoes...
bryan gibson
November 20th, 2002, 03:37 PM
IMTU the Terran Prasidium Defense Forces are consolidated , with differing branches.
The Scouts Service patch is that of a mongoose sitting upright on its haunches on a starfield, surmounted by a banner. In the banner is the motto "Run and Find Out"
The TPDF Marines- First in Service
The Scouts Service patch is that of a mongoose sitting upright on its haunches on a starfield, surmounted by a banner. In the banner is the motto "Run and Find Out"
The TPDF Marines- First in Service
DrSkull
November 20th, 2002, 04:56 PM
The Imperial Commando motto "Silent but Deadly"
Or maybe not.
Or maybe not.
MT++
November 20th, 2002, 06:41 PM
The Newts elite marines force: We are here as placed by those that command us, being as they are in their place as we are in ours
(Admittedly it sounds more impressive in the original Bwap)
Jokes:
Hiver Exploration: Let's go see!
Vargr Marines: Who Let the Dogs Out? Woof, Woof, Woof
Aslan Science Corps: What's New Pussycat? Mrow, Mrow, Mrow
Zhodani Intelligence:
(If you had telepathy, you would have gotten it)
(Admittedly it sounds more impressive in the original Bwap)
Jokes:
Hiver Exploration: Let's go see!
Vargr Marines: Who Let the Dogs Out? Woof, Woof, Woof
Aslan Science Corps: What's New Pussycat? Mrow, Mrow, Mrow
Zhodani Intelligence:
(If you had telepathy, you would have gotten it)
Tom Schoene
November 20th, 2002, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by MT++:
The Newts elite marines force: We are here as placed by those that command us, being as they are in their place as we are in ours
(Admittedly it sounds more impressive in the original Bwap)
Can you also translate that as "here, obedient to the law, we lie"?
(I wonder if that's too obscure. Probably not, considering this group.)
The Newts elite marines force: We are here as placed by those that command us, being as they are in their place as we are in ours
(Admittedly it sounds more impressive in the original Bwap)
Can you also translate that as "here, obedient to the law, we lie"?
(I wonder if that's too obscure. Probably not, considering this group.)
themink
November 20th, 2002, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by Tom Schoene:
Can you also translate that as "here, obedient to the law, we lie"?
(I wonder if that's too obscure. Probably not, considering this group.)Particularly given the air time that the period has been getting over the last 10 years.
Even those who haven't studied it directly would have read an SF book that used it, either directly or in reference.
I like the RL Arty battle honor "ubiqitas" (sp - means "everywhere") most probably used by the IA as theirs.
Engineers - "Holdfast"
Can you also translate that as "here, obedient to the law, we lie"?
(I wonder if that's too obscure. Probably not, considering this group.)Particularly given the air time that the period has been getting over the last 10 years.
Even those who haven't studied it directly would have read an SF book that used it, either directly or in reference.
I like the RL Arty battle honor "ubiqitas" (sp - means "everywhere") most probably used by the IA as theirs.
Engineers - "Holdfast"
ElliottWJames
November 21st, 2002, 02:27 PM
As a reenacter in an ACW union artilley unit I've got some suggestions for the Imperial Artillery
The first choice has to be "Ultima Ratio Regnum" - 'The final argument of Kings'
Here's some other fun alternatives, even if some are a bit long;
"Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be an ugly brawl"
"Where a goat can go, a man can go, where a man can go, he can drag a gun"
"Leave the artilley alone, they are an obstinate lot"
"With artilley, war is made"
"Artillery conquers and infantry occupies"
"If you don't have enough artillery, quit"
"The best generals are those who served in the artillery"
"God fights with the best artillery"
"I do not have to tell you who won the war. You know the artillery did"
"Artillery is the god of war"
"The work for giants, to serve well the guns"
The first choice has to be "Ultima Ratio Regnum" - 'The final argument of Kings'
Here's some other fun alternatives, even if some are a bit long;
"Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be an ugly brawl"
"Where a goat can go, a man can go, where a man can go, he can drag a gun"
"Leave the artilley alone, they are an obstinate lot"
"With artilley, war is made"
"Artillery conquers and infantry occupies"
"If you don't have enough artillery, quit"
"The best generals are those who served in the artillery"
"God fights with the best artillery"
"I do not have to tell you who won the war. You know the artillery did"
"Artillery is the god of war"
"The work for giants, to serve well the guns"
Uncle Bob
November 21st, 2002, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by bryan gibson:
IMTU the Terran Prasidium Defense Forces are consolidated , with differing branches.
The Scouts Service patch is that of a mongoose sitting upright on its haunches on a starfield, surmounted by a banner. In the banner is the motto "Run and Find Out"Ah, a Traveller universe not slavish to cannon. And one where Kipling is revered.
I salute you on both counts.
IMTU the Terran Prasidium Defense Forces are consolidated , with differing branches.
The Scouts Service patch is that of a mongoose sitting upright on its haunches on a starfield, surmounted by a banner. In the banner is the motto "Run and Find Out"Ah, a Traveller universe not slavish to cannon. And one where Kipling is revered.
I salute you on both counts.
bryan gibson
November 21st, 2002, 03:39 PM
Thanx!
while canon is fun, I always enjoyed the possibilioties traveller has allowed to create a completely different universe to play in. More difficult, but as a GM, quite rewarding, and the PCs are entertained by not necessarily knowing all the poop by buying the next supplement- they find out by experience. Mine have always enjoyed that element ( at least, they keep coming back to the games!)
Kipling? indeed... none address the military virtues so poetically as Kipling.
while canon is fun, I always enjoyed the possibilioties traveller has allowed to create a completely different universe to play in. More difficult, but as a GM, quite rewarding, and the PCs are entertained by not necessarily knowing all the poop by buying the next supplement- they find out by experience. Mine have always enjoyed that element ( at least, they keep coming back to the games!)
Kipling? indeed... none address the military virtues so poetically as Kipling.
Vargas
November 21st, 2002, 03:50 PM
Imperial Navy: Agungu Inkiirlim Burgirshu!
Imperial Army: Shazaskhii
Imperial Marines: Shakuugaanma
Imperial Scout: Dikha Daku Ilii
. . . I knew I should have taken second year Viliani. . .
Imperial Army: Shazaskhii
Imperial Marines: Shakuugaanma
Imperial Scout: Dikha Daku Ilii
. . . I knew I should have taken second year Viliani. . .
Vargas
November 21st, 2002, 03:50 PM
Imperial Navy: Agungu Inkiirlim Burgirshu!
Imperial Army: Shazaskhii
Imperial Marines: Shakuugaanma
Imperial Scout: Dikha Daku Ilii
. . . I knew I should have taken second year Viliani. . .
Imperial Army: Shazaskhii
Imperial Marines: Shakuugaanma
Imperial Scout: Dikha Daku Ilii
. . . I knew I should have taken second year Viliani. . .
MT++
November 21st, 2002, 10:46 PM
Can you also translate that as "here, obedient to the law, we lie"?
(I wonder if that's too obscure. Probably not, considering this group.)Nope. I am glad someone picked up the gist.
Go tell the Pwa-a-a-bara-pera-baker-Pa-Wa-Waw
I thought of another motto:
Ithklur Defence Forces:
K'Kree: The OTher White Meat
or,
K'Kree: Them's Go-o-o-d Eatin'
(I wonder if that's too obscure. Probably not, considering this group.)Nope. I am glad someone picked up the gist.
Go tell the Pwa-a-a-bara-pera-baker-Pa-Wa-Waw
I thought of another motto:
Ithklur Defence Forces:
K'Kree: The OTher White Meat
or,
K'Kree: Them's Go-o-o-d Eatin'
Cleon the Mad
November 22nd, 2002, 04:12 AM
Well, this isn't the military...but the Imperial Moot during the Rebellion could use "Not Now, Strephon's in the Shower". :D
Mysterion
December 29th, 2002, 06:37 AM
Imperial Scouts: You can never have too much amunition or toilet paper.
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Dynamo
December 29th, 2002, 11:54 AM
Semper Paratus! The motto of the US Coast Guard ... Always Prepared
elofgren
January 5th, 2003, 02:04 AM
IMTU:
Imperial Navy: The Sword and the Sheild (Their crest is an old sheild with a longsword infront of it. None of my players got the KGB reference, but that's okay...the Imps aren't that bad, I just lined the phrase).
Marines: Do or Die
Army: Hold the line
Scouts: Through Discovery, Progress
Imperial Navy: The Sword and the Sheild (Their crest is an old sheild with a longsword infront of it. None of my players got the KGB reference, but that's okay...the Imps aren't that bad, I just lined the phrase).
Marines: Do or Die
Army: Hold the line
Scouts: Through Discovery, Progress
Chuck Anumia
June 14th, 2005, 10:33 AM
Morter Men = High Angle Death
Military Intelligence (I know, it is an oximoron, but still)= Seek and Disrupt (used in the 109th M I Battalion).
Caste of Assassins Mercenary Corps = Friend or Foe, No One gets Left Behind.
Military Intelligence (I know, it is an oximoron, but still)= Seek and Disrupt (used in the 109th M I Battalion).
Caste of Assassins Mercenary Corps = Friend or Foe, No One gets Left Behind.
Golan2072
June 14th, 2005, 12:24 PM
Serpentis Quadrant Alliance
Army and Marines: "Forward!" (or Avante or Avanti or Vpriod or Kadima, depending on the language the local world prefers)
Scouts: "Explore, Learn, Liberate"
Colonial Corps: "Creating the Future" (I'm still looking for a good name for them; "Pioneer Corps" fits it well but has a certain unwanted Stalinist smell on it; "Colonial" doesn't seem to fit a polity created by rebelling colonies).
Army and Marines: "Forward!" (or Avante or Avanti or Vpriod or Kadima, depending on the language the local world prefers)
Scouts: "Explore, Learn, Liberate"
Colonial Corps: "Creating the Future" (I'm still looking for a good name for them; "Pioneer Corps" fits it well but has a certain unwanted Stalinist smell on it; "Colonial" doesn't seem to fit a polity created by rebelling colonies).
Chuck Anumia
June 14th, 2005, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by Employee 2-4601:
Serpentis Quadrant Alliance
Army and Marines: "Forward!" (or Avante or Avanti or Vpriod or Kadima, depending on the language the local world prefers)
Scouts: "Explore, Learn, Liberate"
Colonial Corps: "Creating the Future" (I'm still looking for a good name for them; "Pioneer Corps" fits it well but has a certain unwanted Stalinist smell on it; "Colonial" doesn't seem to fit a polity created by rebelling colonies). Perhaps the "Patriotic Home Gaurd"?
Marine Drop Toops=Death From Above.
Grav Tank Battalion=Fast overwhelming Firepower.
Airborne Troops=Feet and Fists First.
Serpentis Quadrant Alliance
Army and Marines: "Forward!" (or Avante or Avanti or Vpriod or Kadima, depending on the language the local world prefers)
Scouts: "Explore, Learn, Liberate"
Colonial Corps: "Creating the Future" (I'm still looking for a good name for them; "Pioneer Corps" fits it well but has a certain unwanted Stalinist smell on it; "Colonial" doesn't seem to fit a polity created by rebelling colonies). Perhaps the "Patriotic Home Gaurd"?
Marine Drop Toops=Death From Above.
Grav Tank Battalion=Fast overwhelming Firepower.
Airborne Troops=Feet and Fists First.
Andrew Boulton
June 14th, 2005, 01:00 PM
IISS: "To infinity - and beyond!"
Imperial Catering Corps: "Death From Within"
...or maybe not.
Some service should recycle the RAF's "Per Ardua Ad Astra".
Imperial Catering Corps: "Death From Within"
...or maybe not.
Some service should recycle the RAF's "Per Ardua Ad Astra".
Golan2072
June 15th, 2005, 01:33 AM
Originally posted by Baron W.
Perhaps the "Patriotic Home Gaurd"?
I do not think it still fits well; I think I'll just stick with Colonial Corps. The concept, by the way, is partially based on Israel's "NAHAL" (No'ar Haluzi Lohem, "Fighting Pioneering Youth", soldiers trained in agriculture and used in building border settlements).
Perhaps the "Patriotic Home Gaurd"?
I do not think it still fits well; I think I'll just stick with Colonial Corps. The concept, by the way, is partially based on Israel's "NAHAL" (No'ar Haluzi Lohem, "Fighting Pioneering Youth", soldiers trained in agriculture and used in building border settlements).
Border Reiver
June 15th, 2005, 04:09 AM
For the Scouts (especially the exploration branch) an unofficial motto from my own service days.
Get in. Get out. No ****ing about. graemlins/file_23.gif
Get in. Get out. No ****ing about. graemlins/file_23.gif
Jeff M. Hopper
June 15th, 2005, 04:38 AM
For all those in Imperial service:
"We stand between hope and Night's desolation."
For Engineer's:
"In thrust we trust."
"(insert ship's name) Power and Light."
"We stand between hope and Night's desolation."
For Engineer's:
"In thrust we trust."
"(insert ship's name) Power and Light."
Liam Devlin
June 15th, 2005, 10:28 AM
From JTAS sources for the Imperium's SPA:
Shiny side up!
Shiny side up!
Virus
December 1st, 2005, 08:54 AM
The only "authentic" Traveller motto I remember is: "Quis custodiat ipsos custodes" or some such (Who watches over the watchers themselves?) for IRIS (Imperial Regency for Intelligence and Security, I think..., you know, the ones that f!"§$ up during Strephon´s assassination ;) ).
Other nice quotes:
"Death from above" for any air force/space units with ground attack specs.
"Aut nunquam tentes, aut perfice." = "Either do not attempt, or complete" or in the immortal words of a certain small green alien a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away: "Do or do not, there is no try".
"No guts, no galaxy." (hijacked from Battletech :D ).
Other nice quotes:
"Death from above" for any air force/space units with ground attack specs.
"Aut nunquam tentes, aut perfice." = "Either do not attempt, or complete" or in the immortal words of a certain small green alien a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away: "Do or do not, there is no try".
"No guts, no galaxy." (hijacked from Battletech :D ).
aramis
December 2nd, 2005, 02:32 AM
Imperial Marine Drop Infantry: Per Ignem ad terram. (Through fire, the earth.)
Imperial Marine Armor (orbital qual): Fire from the Skies
IRIS Elminations Branch: Non imperator popularum(?), non bellus popularum(?) No popular leader, no popular unrest. (don't remember the conjugations.)
Scout Service Contact Branch: With patience comes understanding.
Silly retort: And Boredom
Scout Service Census Branch: Dignity, Diligence and Accuracy!
- silly unofficial: Been there, Counted it!
Scout Special Services Section: No job too hard, no target too remote.
Imperial Marine Armor (orbital qual): Fire from the Skies
IRIS Elminations Branch: Non imperator popularum(?), non bellus popularum(?) No popular leader, no popular unrest. (don't remember the conjugations.)
Scout Service Contact Branch: With patience comes understanding.
Silly retort: And Boredom
Scout Service Census Branch: Dignity, Diligence and Accuracy!
- silly unofficial: Been there, Counted it!
Scout Special Services Section: No job too hard, no target too remote.
Merxiless
December 2nd, 2005, 07:34 PM
Imperial Navy: "Peace through Orbital Gunfire."
Imperial Scouts: "Expanding the Frontier, One World at a Time."
Imperial Marines: "Second to Die."
Imperial Army: "The Last Easy Day was Yesterday."
Imperial Scouts: "Expanding the Frontier, One World at a Time."
Imperial Marines: "Second to Die."
Imperial Army: "The Last Easy Day was Yesterday."
Ptah
December 3rd, 2005, 12:14 AM
If interested in some latin mottos and phrases,
http://www.yuni.com/library/latin_1.html
Scouts: Aude sapere, "Dare to know"; Ad astra "to the stars"; Ab hinc "from here on"; Quinon proficit deficit "He who does not advance, go backwards"; Semper ubi sub ubi ubique "Always wear underwear everywhere" smile.gif
Engineers, Technical Services: Age qud agis "Do what you do well"
Medical Corp: Primum non nocere "The first thing is to do no harm"
Imperial Navy: Dum spiramus tuebimur "While we breathe, we shall defend"; Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum "Let him who wishes for peace prepare for war"
Imperial Marines: Acta non verba, "Action not words"; Facta, non verba "Deeds, not words"; Numquam non paratus "Never unprepared"
Imperial Army: Fortitudine vincimus "By endurance we conquer"
Imperial Revenue Service (IRS): Ne humanus crede "Trust no human"; Postatem obscuri lateris nescitis "You do not know the power of the dark side" smile.gif
http://www.yuni.com/library/latin_1.html
Scouts: Aude sapere, "Dare to know"; Ad astra "to the stars"; Ab hinc "from here on"; Quinon proficit deficit "He who does not advance, go backwards"; Semper ubi sub ubi ubique "Always wear underwear everywhere" smile.gif
Engineers, Technical Services: Age qud agis "Do what you do well"
Medical Corp: Primum non nocere "The first thing is to do no harm"
Imperial Navy: Dum spiramus tuebimur "While we breathe, we shall defend"; Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum "Let him who wishes for peace prepare for war"
Imperial Marines: Acta non verba, "Action not words"; Facta, non verba "Deeds, not words"; Numquam non paratus "Never unprepared"
Imperial Army: Fortitudine vincimus "By endurance we conquer"
Imperial Revenue Service (IRS): Ne humanus crede "Trust no human"; Postatem obscuri lateris nescitis "You do not know the power of the dark side" smile.gif
Fritz_Brown
December 3rd, 2005, 07:27 PM
Hey, Ptah, how do you add the word "clean" into that last Scout motto?!
And, what about "Dying won't get us out of your hair THAT easily!" for the IRS? (Inspired by some of the latin in that last one....)
And, what about "Dying won't get us out of your hair THAT easily!" for the IRS? (Inspired by some of the latin in that last one....)
Todg
December 3rd, 2005, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by Elliott James:
As a reenacter in an ACW union artilley unit I've got some suggestions for the Imperial Artillery
The first choice has to be "Ultima Ratio Regnum" - 'The final argument of Kings'
Here's some other fun alternatives, even if some are a bit long;
"Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be an ugly brawl"
"Where a goat can go, a man can go, where a man can go, he can drag a gun"
"Leave the artilley alone, they are an obstinate lot"
"With artilley, war is made"
"Artillery conquers and infantry occupies"
"If you don't have enough artillery, quit"
"The best generals are those who served in the artillery"
"God fights with the best artillery"
"I do not have to tell you who won the war. You know the artillery did"
"Artillery is the god of war"
"The work for giants, to serve well the guns" The Artillery is the king of battle. The Infantry is the queen of battle. And everyone knows the queen tells the king where to put his balls.
As a reenacter in an ACW union artilley unit I've got some suggestions for the Imperial Artillery
The first choice has to be "Ultima Ratio Regnum" - 'The final argument of Kings'
Here's some other fun alternatives, even if some are a bit long;
"Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be an ugly brawl"
"Where a goat can go, a man can go, where a man can go, he can drag a gun"
"Leave the artilley alone, they are an obstinate lot"
"With artilley, war is made"
"Artillery conquers and infantry occupies"
"If you don't have enough artillery, quit"
"The best generals are those who served in the artillery"
"God fights with the best artillery"
"I do not have to tell you who won the war. You know the artillery did"
"Artillery is the god of war"
"The work for giants, to serve well the guns" The Artillery is the king of battle. The Infantry is the queen of battle. And everyone knows the queen tells the king where to put his balls.
Todg
December 3rd, 2005, 08:15 PM
SolSec: "Oderint dum metuant" (Let them hate, so long as they fear).
Golan2072
December 4th, 2005, 03:48 AM
Solar Triumvirate
Marines: Carrying the Torch
Army: Semper Vigilantis (should mean "Always on Guard"; damn! my Latin is bad!)
Navy: Holding the High Ground
Marines: Carrying the Torch
Army: Semper Vigilantis (should mean "Always on Guard"; damn! my Latin is bad!)
Navy: Holding the High Ground
Ptah
December 5th, 2005, 08:14 PM
Fritz88 Hey, Ptah, how do you add the word "clean" into that last Scout motto?!
You don't. If you want clean underwear son join the navy. ;)
Actually, I don't know Latin, or should I say I remember enough of it from highschool that I refuse to declinate a noun ever again. Oh the agony.
You don't. If you want clean underwear son join the navy. ;)
Actually, I don't know Latin, or should I say I remember enough of it from highschool that I refuse to declinate a noun ever again. Oh the agony.
wordserpent
December 5th, 2005, 08:47 PM
Zhodani Thought Police:
"I Knew You Were Going To Say That!"
SolSec:
"...On Terra, The Party Finds You."
The Marines' Unofficial Motto For The Navy:
"Taxi!"
The Navy's Unofficial Motto For The Marines:
"M-A-R-I-N-E (My Arse Rides In Navy Equipment)"
The Merchant Service:
"Buy Low, Sell High"
Unofficial:
"Every Day Is Oneday"
or
"There's a Sucker Born Every Minute"
"I Knew You Were Going To Say That!"
SolSec:
"...On Terra, The Party Finds You."
The Marines' Unofficial Motto For The Navy:
"Taxi!"
The Navy's Unofficial Motto For The Marines:
"M-A-R-I-N-E (My Arse Rides In Navy Equipment)"
The Merchant Service:
"Buy Low, Sell High"
Unofficial:
"Every Day Is Oneday"
or
"There's a Sucker Born Every Minute"
Anthony Emmel
December 5th, 2005, 09:28 PM
Chello!
Motto of the 46th Imperial Forward Hospital: "To Resuscitate and Conserve"
[Hijacked from the US Army, 46th Combat Support Hospital]
Tony
Motto of the 46th Imperial Forward Hospital: "To Resuscitate and Conserve"
[Hijacked from the US Army, 46th Combat Support Hospital]
Tony
otherles
December 10th, 2005, 04:40 AM
"We Serve The Imperium!"
My general purpose motto for the Imperial armed services in the Dennyverse. Especially the navy beginning with the reign of Arbellatra.
Sometimes used as a verbal shrug or in another sarcastic manner.
EXT. DAY
Dennis and Lisa are walking in the park and moved away from
the INI-HQ Building.
Dennis removes his new insignia of rank from a pocket.
DENNIS
Lisa, would you please help me with
these? Mom isn't well enough for this
sort of thing these days.
LISA
Sure.
Lisa begins to remove the old shoulder-boards from Dennis'
uniform shirt.
LISA
You never mentioned your mother before.
DENNIS
You weren't cleared for that. Now that
you're with the Section Six...
LISA
There is no Section Six!
DENNIS
Just checking...
Lisa finishes the placement of the new rank insignia on
Dennis' shirt.
DENNIS
Thank you.
LISA
We serve the Imperium!
And so on...
My general purpose motto for the Imperial armed services in the Dennyverse. Especially the navy beginning with the reign of Arbellatra.
Sometimes used as a verbal shrug or in another sarcastic manner.
EXT. DAY
Dennis and Lisa are walking in the park and moved away from
the INI-HQ Building.
Dennis removes his new insignia of rank from a pocket.
DENNIS
Lisa, would you please help me with
these? Mom isn't well enough for this
sort of thing these days.
LISA
Sure.
Lisa begins to remove the old shoulder-boards from Dennis'
uniform shirt.
LISA
You never mentioned your mother before.
DENNIS
You weren't cleared for that. Now that
you're with the Section Six...
LISA
There is no Section Six!
DENNIS
Just checking...
Lisa finishes the placement of the new rank insignia on
Dennis' shirt.
DENNIS
Thank you.
LISA
We serve the Imperium!
And so on...
Andrew Boulton
December 10th, 2005, 10:56 AM
"We Serve The Imperium!"
Nice. But too republican (small r). Should be "We serve the Emperor."
Nice. But too republican (small r). Should be "We serve the Emperor."
aramis
December 10th, 2005, 02:40 PM
Here's a canonical one from Sup 12 Forms and Charts:
"Strike From Space" - Duke of Regina's Huscarles, on the crest.
From SMC:
"On Target" - from the naval strike unit's badge.
"Strike From Space" - Duke of Regina's Huscarles, on the crest.
From SMC:
"On Target" - from the naval strike unit's badge.
otherles
December 10th, 2005, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by Andrew Boulton:
"We Serve The Imperium!"
Nice. But too republican (small r). Should be "We serve the Emperor." Good (lack of) God, no! The good of the Imperium has to take precedence over the desires of the Emperor.
We should keep in mind that (at least in the Dennyverse) Arbellatra had to defuse further attempts by her fellow admirals to seize the throne and to restore the Imperial Navy to it pre-civil war state as the primary protector of the Imperium.
I touched upon this subject in this piece on the COBRA class escort. (http://www.freelancetraveller.com/features/shipyard/classic/leslie-bates/cobra.html)
So how did the Cobra-class of close escorts acquire a reputation for being mutiny prone?
In fact the crews of Cobra-class escorts were no more prone to mutinies than the crews of any other class of Imperial warship under normal conditions. But it was during the Imperial Civil War that a statistical blip occurred as a result of the sloppy manning practices in effect at the time.
When Admiral Plankwell unloaded his sidearm into Empress Jacqueline he not only disconnected the Imperial Navy from legitimate civil authority, he violently disrupted the bond of comradeship within the officer corps and enlisted ranks of the navy. If Plankwell -- an unwashed lout from the farthest frontier -- could by force of arms proclaim himself to be El Numero Uno, reasoned one would-be claimant to the throne, then anyone could. And anyone who could gather a battle fleet would do just that.
Prior to the assassination of Empress Jacqueline the Imperial Navy guarded the frontiers and kept the peace between the worlds, to be permitted to serve in the Navy was an honor and privilege granted to a select few. But when Plankwell planted his posterior upon the Iridium Throne he converted the various sector fleets, and the Core Fleet in particular, from being guardians of the empire to being in effect bands of pirates that any sufficiently warm body could join.
Sector Admirals seeking to plant their hindquarters on the throne would gather a fleet for an expedition to the core, and as a general rule would place personnel who are the most competent -- and certainly the most loyal to themselves -- aboard their flagships. The less powerful the unit being manned, the less loyal or competent the embarked crew. The loyalty and competence of close escort crews were often the last thing on the mind of the would-be rulers. To further aggravate matters, bureaucrats (usually ground based) would use the requisitioning of fleet units by would-be claimants as an opportunity to rid themselves of incompetents and other unwanted personnel.
All of this was in no way conducive to the creation of a sense of comradeship amongst the crews of Cobra-class escorts. Normally a military unit, from the infantry fire-team to the crew of a first line battleship, is also a social unit. But the crews of close escorts in the claimant fleets were little more space-going mobs. It should not have been a surprise to see a high rate of disorder aboard units of the Cobra-class. Nor should it have been a surprise if the captain of a Cobra decides to turn pirate, as many did during the Civil War.
The notable exception to the aforementioned misadventures in personnel management was the task force organized and led by Grand Admiral Alkhalikoi to put down what she called "The Great Mutiny," and restore civil authority over the Imperial Navy.
Whereas most escort captains in the claimant fleets were flakes and losers, Admiral Alkhalikoi hand picked the commanders of her close escorts and gave them license to head-hunt for their own crews.
The close of the Civil War and the restoration of rational personnel management practices (along with the hunting down of the remaining renegades) brought an end to the mutiny problem in the close escort units. However, the aforementioned statistical blip would become an issue when the time came for the Imperial Navy to replace the Cobra-class escort.
"We Serve The Imperium!"
Nice. But too republican (small r). Should be "We serve the Emperor." Good (lack of) God, no! The good of the Imperium has to take precedence over the desires of the Emperor.
We should keep in mind that (at least in the Dennyverse) Arbellatra had to defuse further attempts by her fellow admirals to seize the throne and to restore the Imperial Navy to it pre-civil war state as the primary protector of the Imperium.
I touched upon this subject in this piece on the COBRA class escort. (http://www.freelancetraveller.com/features/shipyard/classic/leslie-bates/cobra.html)
So how did the Cobra-class of close escorts acquire a reputation for being mutiny prone?
In fact the crews of Cobra-class escorts were no more prone to mutinies than the crews of any other class of Imperial warship under normal conditions. But it was during the Imperial Civil War that a statistical blip occurred as a result of the sloppy manning practices in effect at the time.
When Admiral Plankwell unloaded his sidearm into Empress Jacqueline he not only disconnected the Imperial Navy from legitimate civil authority, he violently disrupted the bond of comradeship within the officer corps and enlisted ranks of the navy. If Plankwell -- an unwashed lout from the farthest frontier -- could by force of arms proclaim himself to be El Numero Uno, reasoned one would-be claimant to the throne, then anyone could. And anyone who could gather a battle fleet would do just that.
Prior to the assassination of Empress Jacqueline the Imperial Navy guarded the frontiers and kept the peace between the worlds, to be permitted to serve in the Navy was an honor and privilege granted to a select few. But when Plankwell planted his posterior upon the Iridium Throne he converted the various sector fleets, and the Core Fleet in particular, from being guardians of the empire to being in effect bands of pirates that any sufficiently warm body could join.
Sector Admirals seeking to plant their hindquarters on the throne would gather a fleet for an expedition to the core, and as a general rule would place personnel who are the most competent -- and certainly the most loyal to themselves -- aboard their flagships. The less powerful the unit being manned, the less loyal or competent the embarked crew. The loyalty and competence of close escort crews were often the last thing on the mind of the would-be rulers. To further aggravate matters, bureaucrats (usually ground based) would use the requisitioning of fleet units by would-be claimants as an opportunity to rid themselves of incompetents and other unwanted personnel.
All of this was in no way conducive to the creation of a sense of comradeship amongst the crews of Cobra-class escorts. Normally a military unit, from the infantry fire-team to the crew of a first line battleship, is also a social unit. But the crews of close escorts in the claimant fleets were little more space-going mobs. It should not have been a surprise to see a high rate of disorder aboard units of the Cobra-class. Nor should it have been a surprise if the captain of a Cobra decides to turn pirate, as many did during the Civil War.
The notable exception to the aforementioned misadventures in personnel management was the task force organized and led by Grand Admiral Alkhalikoi to put down what she called "The Great Mutiny," and restore civil authority over the Imperial Navy.
Whereas most escort captains in the claimant fleets were flakes and losers, Admiral Alkhalikoi hand picked the commanders of her close escorts and gave them license to head-hunt for their own crews.
The close of the Civil War and the restoration of rational personnel management practices (along with the hunting down of the remaining renegades) brought an end to the mutiny problem in the close escort units. However, the aforementioned statistical blip would become an issue when the time came for the Imperial Navy to replace the Cobra-class escort.
far-trader
December 10th, 2005, 09:20 PM
Like Les The Imperium of MTU has long had (game and realworld) one unifying motto, roughly translated:
"Service is Citizenship"
Heavily inspired by Heinlein's "Starship Troopers" obviously but not quite so... heavy handed?
IMTU there are few ways to attain the status of Citizen of the Imperium. You may of course be born to Nobility, elevated to the Nobility, or serve a term in one of the services (Army, Marine, Navy, Scout, or Merchant in CTB1). Nobility is also a Service IMTU but not one subject to draft. The draft IMTU is also voluntary but there is no shortage of applicants to the services and part of the requirement of application is being subject to the draft if the service of your application denies said application. Only those who really fail to meet the needs of The Services won't be drafted (in CTB1 that's a roll of 6 on the draft, i.e. Other).
You can also lose your Citizenship, but that's generally bad, very bad. Naturally most player characters are Citizens, with all the privilege and responsibility the status earns. Most people in The Imperium are not Citizens. Not exactly subjects but also not entirely free.
Naturally there are other mottos, specific to services, units and such, but this is one known by all Citizens, IMTU.
Long explanation for three little words smile.gif but I felt it needed some context.
"Service is Citizenship"
Heavily inspired by Heinlein's "Starship Troopers" obviously but not quite so... heavy handed?
IMTU there are few ways to attain the status of Citizen of the Imperium. You may of course be born to Nobility, elevated to the Nobility, or serve a term in one of the services (Army, Marine, Navy, Scout, or Merchant in CTB1). Nobility is also a Service IMTU but not one subject to draft. The draft IMTU is also voluntary but there is no shortage of applicants to the services and part of the requirement of application is being subject to the draft if the service of your application denies said application. Only those who really fail to meet the needs of The Services won't be drafted (in CTB1 that's a roll of 6 on the draft, i.e. Other).
You can also lose your Citizenship, but that's generally bad, very bad. Naturally most player characters are Citizens, with all the privilege and responsibility the status earns. Most people in The Imperium are not Citizens. Not exactly subjects but also not entirely free.
Naturally there are other mottos, specific to services, units and such, but this is one known by all Citizens, IMTU.
Long explanation for three little words smile.gif but I felt it needed some context.
otherles
December 10th, 2005, 09:48 PM
And then I dug up this old thing from the TML:
I had this vision of a conversation between Marine Captain Randall (Jeff Anderson from CLERKS) and Marine First Sergeant Hartman (R. Lee Ermey from FULL METAL JACKET, Etc.), a survivor of the first wave on Objective Alpha. (From part 17 of FIHP.)
Capt. Randall: I am constantly compelled to continually ask myself as to why are we here.
1SGT. Hartman: We serve the Imperium, sir!
Capt. Randall: Granted that is the meta-purpose that drives the actions of everyone from the newest marine recruit in the grinder to His Majesty the Emperor Himself, but that still does not explain why we ourselves are stuck on a pathetic mudball like Tarkine.
1SGT. Hartman: To keep a lid on the [expletive] pirate-hugging scum, sir!
Capt. Randall: Eloquent and to the point as always First Sergeant.
I had this vision of a conversation between Marine Captain Randall (Jeff Anderson from CLERKS) and Marine First Sergeant Hartman (R. Lee Ermey from FULL METAL JACKET, Etc.), a survivor of the first wave on Objective Alpha. (From part 17 of FIHP.)
Capt. Randall: I am constantly compelled to continually ask myself as to why are we here.
1SGT. Hartman: We serve the Imperium, sir!
Capt. Randall: Granted that is the meta-purpose that drives the actions of everyone from the newest marine recruit in the grinder to His Majesty the Emperor Himself, but that still does not explain why we ourselves are stuck on a pathetic mudball like Tarkine.
1SGT. Hartman: To keep a lid on the [expletive] pirate-hugging scum, sir!
Capt. Randall: Eloquent and to the point as always First Sergeant.
Andrew Boulton
December 11th, 2005, 07:56 AM
"Good (lack of) God, no! The good of the Imperium has to take precedence over the desires of the Emperor."
The Emperor *is* the Imperium.
In a feudal system, monarchy, or dictatorship, you swear allegiance to the leader - "God save the Queen!", "Heil Hitler", etc.
In a republic, the leader is really a servant of the state/people - "God bless America!", "Vive la France!", etc.
The Emperor *is* the Imperium.
In a feudal system, monarchy, or dictatorship, you swear allegiance to the leader - "God save the Queen!", "Heil Hitler", etc.
In a republic, the leader is really a servant of the state/people - "God bless America!", "Vive la France!", etc.
Golan2072
December 11th, 2005, 09:45 AM
IMHO I think it should be "For Emperor and Imperium", as in "For Queen/King And Country". Also, colonial units won't say "We serve the Emperor" but "We Serve [insert Noble's name here]; they swear alliegance (sp?) to their direct liege, who, in turn, swears alliegance (sp?) to the Emperor - this is a variant on Feudalism, after all, not on Absolutism.
Chaos
December 11th, 2005, 10:42 AM
Braknak Security Inc. (aka The Brute Squad):
"Knowing is only half the battle. The other half is our business."
@Lord Irial:
I´m afraid you mixed up the Marines´ motto. It´s either "semper fidelis" (forever loyal) (the USMC motto, IIRC) or "sic temper tyrannis" (that´s what always happens to tyrants). Of course, what you wrote, "that´s what always happens to loyal people", is also a kind of motto, although a rather cynical one...
@Employee 2-4601:
How about calling the Colonial Corps the "Corps of Engineers"?
And the ST Army motto could be "semper vigilans" - always vigilant.
Yours,
Chaos
(Latin amateur with a BIG dictionary)
"Knowing is only half the battle. The other half is our business."
@Lord Irial:
I´m afraid you mixed up the Marines´ motto. It´s either "semper fidelis" (forever loyal) (the USMC motto, IIRC) or "sic temper tyrannis" (that´s what always happens to tyrants). Of course, what you wrote, "that´s what always happens to loyal people", is also a kind of motto, although a rather cynical one...
@Employee 2-4601:
How about calling the Colonial Corps the "Corps of Engineers"?
And the ST Army motto could be "semper vigilans" - always vigilant.
Yours,
Chaos
(Latin amateur with a BIG dictionary)
Andrew Boulton
December 11th, 2005, 11:15 AM
"IMHO I think it should be "For Emperor and Imperium""
Bit of a mouthfull though! No use as a battle cry - the war would be over before you finished saying it :)
Bit of a mouthfull though! No use as a battle cry - the war would be over before you finished saying it :)
otherles
December 11th, 2005, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by Andrew Boulton:
"Good (lack of) God, no! The good of the Imperium has to take precedence over the desires of the Emperor."
The Emperor *is* the Imperium.
In a feudal system, monarchy, or dictatorship, you swear allegiance to the leader - "God save the Queen!", "Heil Hitler", etc.
In a republic, the leader is really a servant of the state/people - "God bless America!", "Vive la France!", etc. As a Big "R" Republican (in the U.S.) I basically take the view that no polity can be considered to exist apart from the body of citizens and that the leader (President, Queen, Emperor, Whatever...) is basically the First Citizen, and that oath of fealty to the Emperor is a oath to Imperium as a whole. I do believe that this interpretation is consistent with the already published comments of Norris and Strephon. (Two guys I could work for.)
Of course Your Traveller Universe May Vary...
"Good (lack of) God, no! The good of the Imperium has to take precedence over the desires of the Emperor."
The Emperor *is* the Imperium.
In a feudal system, monarchy, or dictatorship, you swear allegiance to the leader - "God save the Queen!", "Heil Hitler", etc.
In a republic, the leader is really a servant of the state/people - "God bless America!", "Vive la France!", etc. As a Big "R" Republican (in the U.S.) I basically take the view that no polity can be considered to exist apart from the body of citizens and that the leader (President, Queen, Emperor, Whatever...) is basically the First Citizen, and that oath of fealty to the Emperor is a oath to Imperium as a whole. I do believe that this interpretation is consistent with the already published comments of Norris and Strephon. (Two guys I could work for.)
Of course Your Traveller Universe May Vary...
Andrew Boulton
December 11th, 2005, 01:22 PM
That's your opinion, and there's some truth to it - without the people there's no Imperium, and therefore no Emperor, and he only keeps his position because the people let him.
But that doesn't change the fact that in a feudal system you swear allegiance to *individuals*. Your loyalty is to the *person*, not the group they represent.
The British oath is:
"I [full name], swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Her Heirs and Successors, according to law."
But that doesn't change the fact that in a feudal system you swear allegiance to *individuals*. Your loyalty is to the *person*, not the group they represent.
The British oath is:
"I [full name], swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Her Heirs and Successors, according to law."
Fritz_Brown
December 13th, 2005, 09:59 PM
Actually, Chaos, sic semper tyrannis is the motto of the Commonwealth of Virginia, not the Marines.
Golan2072
December 14th, 2005, 03:45 AM
Originally posted by Andrew Boulton:
"IMHO I think it should be "For Emperor and Imperium""
Bit of a mouthfull though! No use as a battle cry - the war would be over before you finished saying it :) No, the battle cry would typically be "For Norris!" or "For Brzk!" (sp?); it is a feudal system, after all; most troops would swear alliegance (sp?) to the local Noble (or, at most, the local Archduke), and the Noble would swear alliegance (sp?) to the Emperor.
"IMHO I think it should be "For Emperor and Imperium""
Bit of a mouthfull though! No use as a battle cry - the war would be over before you finished saying it :) No, the battle cry would typically be "For Norris!" or "For Brzk!" (sp?); it is a feudal system, after all; most troops would swear alliegance (sp?) to the local Noble (or, at most, the local Archduke), and the Noble would swear alliegance (sp?) to the Emperor.
Chaos
December 14th, 2005, 04:46 AM
Originally posted by Fritz88:
Actually, Chaos, sic semper tyrannis is the motto of the Commonwealth of Virginia, not the Marines. I knew it wasn´t the Marines motto; maybe I wasn´t clear enough. That happens to me, sometimes.
I didn´t know who did use it, though. Interesting...
Actually, Chaos, sic semper tyrannis is the motto of the Commonwealth of Virginia, not the Marines. I knew it wasn´t the Marines motto; maybe I wasn´t clear enough. That happens to me, sometimes.
I didn´t know who did use it, though. Interesting...
Anthony Emmel
December 14th, 2005, 08:54 PM
Chello!
And the quote comes from what Marcus Junius Brutus is supposed to have said when he stabbed Gaius Julius Ceasar in 44 BC.
In American history, John Wilkes Boothe shouted it after shooting President Abraham Lincoln in the back of the head.
Tony
And the quote comes from what Marcus Junius Brutus is supposed to have said when he stabbed Gaius Julius Ceasar in 44 BC.
In American history, John Wilkes Boothe shouted it after shooting President Abraham Lincoln in the back of the head.
Tony
Redleg58
December 15th, 2005, 01:22 AM
Originally posted by Andrew Boulton:
The British oath is:
"I [full name], swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Her Heirs and Successors, according to law." Is that the military oath only or for all citizens?
The British oath is:
"I [full name], swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Her Heirs and Successors, according to law." Is that the military oath only or for all citizens?
Valarian
December 15th, 2005, 02:40 AM
Originally posted by Redleg:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Andrew Boulton:
The British oath is:
"I [full name], swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Her Heirs and Successors, according to law." Is that the military oath only or for all citizens? </font>[/QUOTE]All citizens - except if you are born in the country, you don't ever have to actually say the words (unless you're knighted or serve in the Commons or the Lords). You're assumed to have agreed. Anyone becoming a British citizen must swear the Oath of Allegience, or make a solemn affirmation to the same. I would imagine that anyone taking up military service would also swear the Oath.
So we're all liegemen of the Queen - even if a citizen is of a republican bent. Therefore, any British born republican is also an oathbreaker smile.gif and technically a traitor :D - although I think this would be extremely difficult to make a legal case for.
Gentlemen, a graemlins/toast.gif
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Andrew Boulton:
The British oath is:
"I [full name], swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Her Heirs and Successors, according to law." Is that the military oath only or for all citizens? </font>[/QUOTE]All citizens - except if you are born in the country, you don't ever have to actually say the words (unless you're knighted or serve in the Commons or the Lords). You're assumed to have agreed. Anyone becoming a British citizen must swear the Oath of Allegience, or make a solemn affirmation to the same. I would imagine that anyone taking up military service would also swear the Oath.
So we're all liegemen of the Queen - even if a citizen is of a republican bent. Therefore, any British born republican is also an oathbreaker smile.gif and technically a traitor :D - although I think this would be extremely difficult to make a legal case for.
Gentlemen, a graemlins/toast.gif
Andrew Boulton
December 15th, 2005, 08:36 AM
The military oath is longer:
"I swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, her heirs and successors and that I will as in duty bound honestly and faithfully defend Her Majesty, her heirs and successors in person, crown and dignity against all enemies and will observe and obey all orders of Her Majesty, her heirs and successors and of the generals and officers set over me."
"0307. Irrespective of private beliefs, this Oath embodies the context within which the British Army fights and operates. It expresses the formal yet personal loyalty of every soldier in the British Army to the Sovereign as head of state. This focus on the Sovereign means that whatever the political views of individual soldiers, the British Army is essentially apolitical. Similarly, the Sovereign is the authority for the Commissions and Warrants of the various categories of officers. There is a similar formal yet personal relationship of Corps and Regiments to the Sovereign. These relationships find expression in the Colours, Standards and other emblems of Regimental and Corps spirit which derive from the Sovereign, and in the Ceremonial which demonstrates publicly the role of the Army in the fabric of the nation."
http://www.army.mod.uk/servingsoldier/usefulinfo/valuesgeneral/adp5milcov/ss_hrpers_values_adp5_3_w.html#selfless
"I swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, her heirs and successors and that I will as in duty bound honestly and faithfully defend Her Majesty, her heirs and successors in person, crown and dignity against all enemies and will observe and obey all orders of Her Majesty, her heirs and successors and of the generals and officers set over me."
"0307. Irrespective of private beliefs, this Oath embodies the context within which the British Army fights and operates. It expresses the formal yet personal loyalty of every soldier in the British Army to the Sovereign as head of state. This focus on the Sovereign means that whatever the political views of individual soldiers, the British Army is essentially apolitical. Similarly, the Sovereign is the authority for the Commissions and Warrants of the various categories of officers. There is a similar formal yet personal relationship of Corps and Regiments to the Sovereign. These relationships find expression in the Colours, Standards and other emblems of Regimental and Corps spirit which derive from the Sovereign, and in the Ceremonial which demonstrates publicly the role of the Army in the fabric of the nation."
http://www.army.mod.uk/servingsoldier/usefulinfo/valuesgeneral/adp5milcov/ss_hrpers_values_adp5_3_w.html#selfless
Spiderfish
December 15th, 2005, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by Valarian:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Redleg:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Andrew Boulton:
The British oath is:
"I [full name], swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Her Heirs and Successors, according to law." Is that the military oath only or for all citizens? </font>[/QUOTE]All citizens - except if you are born in the country, you don't ever have to actually say the words (unless you're knighted or serve in the Commons or the Lords). You're assumed to have agreed. Anyone becoming a British citizen must swear the Oath of Allegience, or make a solemn affirmation to the same. I would imagine that anyone taking up military service would also swear the Oath.
So we're all liegemen of the Queen - even if a citizen is of a republican bent. Therefore, any British born republican is also an oathbreaker smile.gif and technically a traitor :D - although I think this would be extremely difficult to make a legal case for.
Gentlemen, a graemlins/toast.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Indeed it would be foolish and self destructive to take such a case to court, Monarch's rule by the consent of those with power under them and I doubt modern day Britain would appreciate this sort of action and we all have a lot more economic power nowdays.
You've also got to take into mind the quite probable illegitimacy of the current line's claim to the throne, such things could be brought up and used to discredit them.
The present line draws authority from the Marriage of Henry Tudor to the daughter of King Edward IV* who was probably not his father's son. His father was on campaign during the possible period for conception, this would make Henry Tudor's bride not royal at all.
Of course without this we would not have had the Tudor Kings or Queens or the sweeping changes brought in like the reformation freeing us from papal domminance**. This would have made war with Spain less likely so we would probably have been content to lie in the Spaniard's shadow rather than rising to eventually become a great Imperial power, anyone that is what I heard.
Swings and Rounabouts.
* This was a political marriage to give Henry VII a more legitimate claim.
** Or that Henry VIII drama-doc with Ray Winstone
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Redleg:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Andrew Boulton:
The British oath is:
"I [full name], swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Her Heirs and Successors, according to law." Is that the military oath only or for all citizens? </font>[/QUOTE]All citizens - except if you are born in the country, you don't ever have to actually say the words (unless you're knighted or serve in the Commons or the Lords). You're assumed to have agreed. Anyone becoming a British citizen must swear the Oath of Allegience, or make a solemn affirmation to the same. I would imagine that anyone taking up military service would also swear the Oath.
So we're all liegemen of the Queen - even if a citizen is of a republican bent. Therefore, any British born republican is also an oathbreaker smile.gif and technically a traitor :D - although I think this would be extremely difficult to make a legal case for.
Gentlemen, a graemlins/toast.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Indeed it would be foolish and self destructive to take such a case to court, Monarch's rule by the consent of those with power under them and I doubt modern day Britain would appreciate this sort of action and we all have a lot more economic power nowdays.
You've also got to take into mind the quite probable illegitimacy of the current line's claim to the throne, such things could be brought up and used to discredit them.
The present line draws authority from the Marriage of Henry Tudor to the daughter of King Edward IV* who was probably not his father's son. His father was on campaign during the possible period for conception, this would make Henry Tudor's bride not royal at all.
Of course without this we would not have had the Tudor Kings or Queens or the sweeping changes brought in like the reformation freeing us from papal domminance**. This would have made war with Spain less likely so we would probably have been content to lie in the Spaniard's shadow rather than rising to eventually become a great Imperial power, anyone that is what I heard.
Swings and Rounabouts.
* This was a political marriage to give Henry VII a more legitimate claim.
** Or that Henry VIII drama-doc with Ray Winstone
Spud
December 15th, 2005, 02:48 PM
In 1966, I swore to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic...
I still deem myself beholden thereto, and so I vote, and write to the newspapers, and to my congressional representatives...
I feel this is a model oath for any representative government (strange British system with no written constitution not withstanding). But of course, somebody out there will want my heart's blood for saying this.
I still deem myself beholden thereto, and so I vote, and write to the newspapers, and to my congressional representatives...
I feel this is a model oath for any representative government (strange British system with no written constitution not withstanding). But of course, somebody out there will want my heart's blood for saying this.
Andrew Boulton
December 15th, 2005, 03:23 PM
"I feel this is a model oath for any representative government"
For a republic, sure.
"(strange British system with no written constitution not withstanding)."
Magna Carta is kind of our Bill of Rights. Not having a formal, written constitution does make it more flexible, and able to constantly evolve, but it's not something I'd recommend for most countries.
For a republic, sure.
"(strange British system with no written constitution not withstanding)."
Magna Carta is kind of our Bill of Rights. Not having a formal, written constitution does make it more flexible, and able to constantly evolve, but it's not something I'd recommend for most countries.
Spiderfish
December 15th, 2005, 03:30 PM
Indeed not, it's left us vunerable to all kinds of terrible laws and injustices, constantly evolving consitutions probably aren't a good thing at any rate.
It kind of defeats the point of something that's meant to look after your civil rights if it can be changed at the drop of a hat by any jumped up corrupt government.
It kind of defeats the point of something that's meant to look after your civil rights if it can be changed at the drop of a hat by any jumped up corrupt government.
Andrew Boulton
December 16th, 2005, 07:38 AM
I think we're heading into Political Pulpit territory...
Redleg58
December 16th, 2005, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by Spud:
In 1966, I swore to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic...
I still deem myself beholden thereto, and so I vote, and write to the newspapers, and to my congressional representatives...
I feel this is a model oath for any representative government (strange British system with no written constitution not withstanding). But of course, somebody out there will want my heart's blood for saying this. Said the same on the first enlistment in 78 and in every subsequent reenlistment there after.......and so did my wife who was a Korean national upon her taking US Citizenship. Not unlike England as Valarian said. I guess we yanks hark back to the mother land in a few ways..... A bit of needless trivia here, up till the revolution if an American born (then Englishmen) went on a trip back to England it was referred to as "Going Home"..... I know this needless information from doing Revolutionary War reenactments.....
In 1966, I swore to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic...
I still deem myself beholden thereto, and so I vote, and write to the newspapers, and to my congressional representatives...
I feel this is a model oath for any representative government (strange British system with no written constitution not withstanding). But of course, somebody out there will want my heart's blood for saying this. Said the same on the first enlistment in 78 and in every subsequent reenlistment there after.......and so did my wife who was a Korean national upon her taking US Citizenship. Not unlike England as Valarian said. I guess we yanks hark back to the mother land in a few ways..... A bit of needless trivia here, up till the revolution if an American born (then Englishmen) went on a trip back to England it was referred to as "Going Home"..... I know this needless information from doing Revolutionary War reenactments.....
Redleg58
December 17th, 2005, 07:19 AM
Originally posted by Andrew Boulton:
I think we're heading into Political Pulpit territory... Well that certainly was not my intention, just found the history of it interesting.
I think we're heading into Political Pulpit territory... Well that certainly was not my intention, just found the history of it interesting.
Zutroi
December 18th, 2005, 12:39 AM
To return to the topic (gods forbid!!):
Imperial Navy - Protection and Service (yes, cribbed from almost every police force, since the Navy IS the Imperial Police force)
Imperial Army - *Pending* (The Army is so low down on the Imperial 'Totem Pole' that they still haven't been issued their motto)
Imperial Marines - In Harm's Way
IISS - No Sh*t, There We Were...
Imperial Navy - Protection and Service (yes, cribbed from almost every police force, since the Navy IS the Imperial Police force)
Imperial Army - *Pending* (The Army is so low down on the Imperial 'Totem Pole' that they still haven't been issued their motto)
Imperial Marines - In Harm's Way
IISS - No Sh*t, There We Were...
Redleg58
December 18th, 2005, 01:45 AM
Imperial Army - *Pending* (The Army is so low down on the Imperial 'Totem Pole' that they still haven't been issued their motto)
How about this? From my favorite unit.
Primus Aut Nullus--First Or Not At All!
How about this? From my favorite unit.
Primus Aut Nullus--First Or Not At All!
otherles
December 18th, 2005, 09:40 PM
There's always the classic:
PEACE IS OUR PROFESSION, WAR IS JUST A HOBBY
PEACE IS OUR PROFESSION, WAR IS JUST A HOBBY
Fritz_Brown
December 19th, 2005, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by Zutroi:
IISS - No Sh*t, There We Were... Would those be the guys always "shooting their watches" in the spaceport bar? graemlins/file_21.gif
IISS - No Sh*t, There We Were... Would those be the guys always "shooting their watches" in the spaceport bar? graemlins/file_21.gif
Redleg58
December 28th, 2005, 01:09 AM
Originally posted by Fritz88:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Zutroi:
IISS - No Sh*t, There We Were... Would those be the guys always "shooting their watches" in the spaceport bar? graemlins/file_21.gif </font>[/QUOTE]The vary ones! How ever did you know?.. :D graemlins/file_23.gif
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Zutroi:
IISS - No Sh*t, There We Were... Would those be the guys always "shooting their watches" in the spaceport bar? graemlins/file_21.gif </font>[/QUOTE]The vary ones! How ever did you know?.. :D graemlins/file_23.gif
Darkhstarr
December 30th, 2005, 10:58 PM
SYSTEM DEFENSE FORCE: "We're there when you don't need us."
HOUSE OF LORDS(Corsair/Mercenary squadron): "No
Lords Except Ourselfs."
HOUSE NOIRE(Capt. Sir Bette Noire): "Live Dangerously!"
HOUSE OF LORDS(Corsair/Mercenary squadron): "No
Lords Except Ourselfs."
HOUSE NOIRE(Capt. Sir Bette Noire): "Live Dangerously!"
aramis
December 31st, 2005, 12:28 AM
Naval Internal Security: "We know when you are sleeping, We know when you're awake, We know when you've been bad or good, so be good for Strephon's sake!" ;)
Darkhstarr
January 2nd, 2006, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by Aramis:
Naval Internal Security: "We know when you are sleeping, We know when you're awake, We know when you've been bad or good, so be good for Strephon's sake!" ;) LOL! Wife's IBIS character would love it!
Naval Internal Security: "We know when you are sleeping, We know when you're awake, We know when you've been bad or good, so be good for Strephon's sake!" ;) LOL! Wife's IBIS character would love it!
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