daryen
June 29th, 2002, 10:19 PM
I recently managed to find and purchase a copy of GT:Behind the Claw. I got it because I thought it would help with my Daryen 1120 webpage. (I am trying to do a webpage for the Daryen subsector for the years 0, 1000, 1100, 1120 and 1200.)
While looking through BtC, it has generated a few questions for me. These questions are:
- Is 0530 Dorianna really in the Confederation? The World listing header says so, but the world description, the subsector description and all of the Darrian related text only talk about adding Nonym and Condaria to the Confederation; there is no mention of Dorianna. Is this a typo?
- The Darrians are listed as being "stronger than typical humans, though a little less dextrous." This is in complete contradiction with CT, MT and TNE, where they are less strong and just as dextrous. Is this a typo or an intentional change?
- Is there are writeup of the Barekdoldin class patrol cruiser anywhere?
- Are the Darrian Spinward Missions just a launching point, or is there a known SJG plot behind it? In other words, does SJG plan on exploiting the idea, or is it just there for the referee's amusement?
Finally, on a wider scale, since I am asking questions here, I have two last little questions:
- Is the Foreven sector still a "referee's preserve", or will it eventually be detailed? If it is still a preserve, that will make any resolution to the Darrian Spinward Missions problematic.
- Has the classic Type T Patrol Cruiser ever been detailed in GT?
Thanks in advance for any answers.
While looking through BtC, it has generated a few questions for me. These questions are:
- Is 0530 Dorianna really in the Confederation? The World listing header says so, but the world description, the subsector description and all of the Darrian related text only talk about adding Nonym and Condaria to the Confederation; there is no mention of Dorianna. Is this a typo?
- The Darrians are listed as being "stronger than typical humans, though a little less dextrous." This is in complete contradiction with CT, MT and TNE, where they are less strong and just as dextrous. Is this a typo or an intentional change?
- Is there are writeup of the Barekdoldin class patrol cruiser anywhere?
- Are the Darrian Spinward Missions just a launching point, or is there a known SJG plot behind it? In other words, does SJG plan on exploiting the idea, or is it just there for the referee's amusement?
Finally, on a wider scale, since I am asking questions here, I have two last little questions:
- Is the Foreven sector still a "referee's preserve", or will it eventually be detailed? If it is still a preserve, that will make any resolution to the Darrian Spinward Missions problematic.
- Has the classic Type T Patrol Cruiser ever been detailed in GT?
Thanks in advance for any answers.
tjoneslo
June 30th, 2002, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by daryen:
I recently managed to find and purchase a copy of GT:Behind the Claw. I got it because I thought it would help with my Daryen 1120 webpage. (I am trying to do a webpage for the Daryen subsector for the years 0, 1000, 1100, 1120 and 1200.)
While looking through BtC, it has generated a few questions for me.
Thanks in advance for any answers.Have you read the errata for the book:
http://www.sjgames.com/errata/gurps/traveller-behind-the-claw.html
I recently managed to find and purchase a copy of GT:Behind the Claw. I got it because I thought it would help with my Daryen 1120 webpage. (I am trying to do a webpage for the Daryen subsector for the years 0, 1000, 1100, 1120 and 1200.)
While looking through BtC, it has generated a few questions for me.
Thanks in advance for any answers.Have you read the errata for the book:
http://www.sjgames.com/errata/gurps/traveller-behind-the-claw.html
daryen
July 1st, 2002, 01:24 AM
Yep, already been through the file. While it did answer a couple of different questions (a pair of missing Darrian bases), the questions I ask above are not dealt with.
And just for clarification:
MJD: These questions are not "attacks" on BtC. I like the book a lot, and it was pretty well done. I am just curious as to whether the changes to "canon" were intentional or accidental and if some things hinted at have ever been/will ever be expanded.
Again, thanks.
And just for clarification:
MJD: These questions are not "attacks" on BtC. I like the book a lot, and it was pretty well done. I am just curious as to whether the changes to "canon" were intentional or accidental and if some things hinted at have ever been/will ever be expanded.
Again, thanks.
daryen
July 1st, 2002, 06:36 PM
Speaking of the BtC errata, looking at the next subsector over, I have a new question. The errata says that Durendal should be in the Border Worlds, not the Sword Worlds. But the text for Durendal and the intro text for the Sword Worlds subsector only makes sense if Durendal is in the Sword Worlds (like BtC has it).
So, is the errata wrong, or is it an intentional change and they forgot to make notes about changing the two mentioned sections of text?
So, is the errata wrong, or is it an intentional change and they forgot to make notes about changing the two mentioned sections of text?
MJD
July 2nd, 2002, 04:27 AM
I wasn't party to the errata and I've never seen it, so I dunno about the Durendal quesiton etc.
The Daryen missions to Spinward was a plot I developed, but I never really got to carry it on; so far as I know it's "open", ie,, nobody has built on it in official publications.
The Daryen missions to Spinward was a plot I developed, but I never really got to carry it on; so far as I know it's "open", ie,, nobody has built on it in official publications.
DonM
July 22nd, 2002, 10:46 AM
Hmm... out of respect for MJD, lets just say there's a few places where some classic material disagrees with BtC, and I would have made different decisions than he and Neil did. On the other hand, there are numerous great things about BtC, so it all works out in the wash.
DonM.
DonM.
daryen
July 22nd, 2002, 12:23 PM
MJD:
Thanks. I will continue to just assume Dorianna is a typo and that Durendal was someone's brainfart.
As for the Spinward Missions, what was your idea? I am really curious to know. I figure the battle damage mentioned was from either the Zhodani or the Avalar (or both), but I am curious what you intended for the Darrians to do, and how much success you envisioned for their efforts.
Thanks. I will continue to just assume Dorianna is a typo and that Durendal was someone's brainfart.
As for the Spinward Missions, what was your idea? I am really curious to know. I figure the battle damage mentioned was from either the Zhodani or the Avalar (or both), but I am curious what you intended for the Darrians to do, and how much success you envisioned for their efforts.
MJD
July 23rd, 2002, 06:06 AM
No time to answer this right now.
i'll let you know,
i'll let you know,
daryen
April 22nd, 2003, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by MJD:
No time to answer this right now.
i'll let you know, While digging for a different thread, I saw this thread. So, I am bumping this.
MJD: Can you yet mention what you were intending for the Darrian Spinward Missions?
No time to answer this right now.
i'll let you know, While digging for a different thread, I saw this thread. So, I am bumping this.
MJD: Can you yet mention what you were intending for the Darrian Spinward Missions?
MJD
May 20th, 2003, 07:46 AM
I had the Darrians building some colonies/outposts out there. A lot of the ship movements were to cover the fact that some ships were going a lot farther out than others, and they didn't want anyone to see what they were up to.
There was another Darrian plot where they were trying to "let slip" that they were conducting field tests of a mini-Star Trigger (casues flares, not Maghiz) - they WANTED people to covertly observe, so they'd know the Darrians had the weapon and also couln't protest too much because they'd obtained the info covertly...
There was another Darrian plot where they were trying to "let slip" that they were conducting field tests of a mini-Star Trigger (casues flares, not Maghiz) - they WANTED people to covertly observe, so they'd know the Darrians had the weapon and also couln't protest too much because they'd obtained the info covertly...
Whipsnade
May 20th, 2003, 02:31 PM
"There was another Darrian plot where they were trying to "let slip" that they were conducting field tests of a mini-Star Trigger (casues flares, not Maghiz) - they WANTED people to covertly observe, so they'd know the Darrians had the weapon and also couln't protest too much because they'd obtained the info covertly..."
Mr. Dougherty,
Now that is very interesting! There's a thread concerning Star Trigger testing over at JTAS right now. Would you care to drop any more hints?
Sincerely,
Larsen
Mr. Dougherty,
Now that is very interesting! There's a thread concerning Star Trigger testing over at JTAS right now. Would you care to drop any more hints?
Sincerely,
Larsen
MJD
May 21st, 2003, 11:42 AM
I don't think anything I had planned is of any relevance now. Although I have a contract and a 60% draft done for GURPS TRAV IMPERIAL NAVY, and I've repeatedly said I'm quite happy to finish it as soon as the line editor gives me his comments and adapted outline, I've heard nothing for over a year. The poroject has been sitting dead in the water for about 2+ years.
I suspect it's quietly been dropped, and certainly I'll not be doing any more GT work until this one starts moving or is formally canned. I have one or two other projects to work on right now anyway...
I AM quite tempted to do a brain-dump of the various plots we hinyted at in BtC though. I'll never get to develop them now...
I suspect it's quietly been dropped, and certainly I'll not be doing any more GT work until this one starts moving or is formally canned. I have one or two other projects to work on right now anyway...
I AM quite tempted to do a brain-dump of the various plots we hinyted at in BtC though. I'll never get to develop them now...
daryen
May 21st, 2003, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by MJD:
I AM quite tempted to do a brain-dump of the various plots we hinted at in BtC though. I'll never get to develop them now... Oh my!
Please, please, please, please, please !!!!
BTW, thanks for the other info.
Looking at the presentation of the Darrians in BtC (which, by the way, could be COMPLETELY changed in GT:Humaniti), I see them as entering a period where they realize they will be completely overwhelmed by the Imperium (just like the Sword Worlds were) if they don't become an active interstellar state.
The real enemy of the Confederation, therefore, is not the emaciated Sword Worlds. While it might be bloody, with their massive technological advantage (TL11/13 vs TL10), they would be able to crush any Sword World incursion. The real threat is actually the Imperium. Not that the Imperium will come in with ships and take them over, but will instead economically overwhelm them. They need a way to keep that threat at bay.
Therefore, they are on the move to expand. The only direction they can expand in is spinward. There is plenty of open territory there, and only one other interstellar state, the Avalar (which have never been officially detailed, anywhere, to my knowledge). Their missions are to plant colonies where they can, coopt planets where they can and test the power of the Avalar.
I had never thought of the "Flare Trigger" idea, but if successful, it would be a tremendous tool. The Star Trigger is too massive; it is a crappy weapon that can only be used as a deterent. A Flare Trigger, on the other hand, would be a great offensive weapon, both to shut the Sword Worlds up (Narsil would be a great example to hit) and to "encourage" cooperation from worlds in Foreven.
I AM quite tempted to do a brain-dump of the various plots we hinted at in BtC though. I'll never get to develop them now... Oh my!
Please, please, please, please, please !!!!
BTW, thanks for the other info.
Looking at the presentation of the Darrians in BtC (which, by the way, could be COMPLETELY changed in GT:Humaniti), I see them as entering a period where they realize they will be completely overwhelmed by the Imperium (just like the Sword Worlds were) if they don't become an active interstellar state.
The real enemy of the Confederation, therefore, is not the emaciated Sword Worlds. While it might be bloody, with their massive technological advantage (TL11/13 vs TL10), they would be able to crush any Sword World incursion. The real threat is actually the Imperium. Not that the Imperium will come in with ships and take them over, but will instead economically overwhelm them. They need a way to keep that threat at bay.
Therefore, they are on the move to expand. The only direction they can expand in is spinward. There is plenty of open territory there, and only one other interstellar state, the Avalar (which have never been officially detailed, anywhere, to my knowledge). Their missions are to plant colonies where they can, coopt planets where they can and test the power of the Avalar.
I had never thought of the "Flare Trigger" idea, but if successful, it would be a tremendous tool. The Star Trigger is too massive; it is a crappy weapon that can only be used as a deterent. A Flare Trigger, on the other hand, would be a great offensive weapon, both to shut the Sword Worlds up (Narsil would be a great example to hit) and to "encourage" cooperation from worlds in Foreven.
JFZeigler
May 21st, 2003, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by MJD:
Although I have a contract and a 60% draft done for GURPS TRAV IMPERIAL NAVY, and I've repeatedly said I'm quite happy to finish it as soon as the line editor gives me his comments and adapted outline, I've heard nothing for over a year. The project has been sitting dead in the water for about 2+ years.
I suspect it's quietly been dropped, and certainly I'll not be doing any more GT work until this one starts moving or is formally canned.Understandable. Now that Humaniti and Starships are both finally unstuck and likely to see publication soon, Imperial Navy is the last unresolved (and much-delayed) project I "inherited" when I took on this job.
The project hasn't been dropped, but I've been consciously avoiding making any decisions about it until Starships is finished. That, of course, is moving along fairly quickly now. You have my word that as soon as Starships is ready to go out the door, I'll sit down with Loren, figure out just where we are with your book, and get the situation resolved one way or the other.
Although I have a contract and a 60% draft done for GURPS TRAV IMPERIAL NAVY, and I've repeatedly said I'm quite happy to finish it as soon as the line editor gives me his comments and adapted outline, I've heard nothing for over a year. The project has been sitting dead in the water for about 2+ years.
I suspect it's quietly been dropped, and certainly I'll not be doing any more GT work until this one starts moving or is formally canned.Understandable. Now that Humaniti and Starships are both finally unstuck and likely to see publication soon, Imperial Navy is the last unresolved (and much-delayed) project I "inherited" when I took on this job.
The project hasn't been dropped, but I've been consciously avoiding making any decisions about it until Starships is finished. That, of course, is moving along fairly quickly now. You have my word that as soon as Starships is ready to go out the door, I'll sit down with Loren, figure out just where we are with your book, and get the situation resolved one way or the other.
daryen
May 21st, 2003, 05:43 PM
At the risk of pushing it, what about Trojan Reaches and Aldebaran? I would really like to see those, especially the latter one.
MJD
May 21st, 2003, 06:15 PM
Okay then... I get nervous about silences like that one. I'm ready to pick up the project whenever... and it's already 60% done, so it's in my interest to finish it!
MJD
May 21st, 2003, 06:16 PM
we postulated a Darrian Renaissance, and these are cold, logical guys who will do what is necessary - more scary than raging Swprd worlders any day...
daryen
May 21st, 2003, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by MJD:
we postulated a Darrian Renaissance, and these are cold, logical guys who will do what is necessary - more scary than raging Swprd worlders any day... Yup.
My supositions are an attempt to explain why they are suddenly active (after being fairly inactive for over a thousand years).
But not only are they scary because of their willingness to "do what is necessary", but they are able to do that with a restored TL13. (In GT they regain their lost technology a full 50+ years ahead of when they do in the TNE timeline.)
So now you have this group of formerly quiet "pacifists" (not really, but that's probably how they were viewed) has suddenly woken up into a dangerously determined expansionistic TL13 pocket empire!
The only real problem with all of that is that, except for eventually smacking down the Sword Worlds when they finally cross the line, all of the action takes place in a sector that no one is allowed to detail!
we postulated a Darrian Renaissance, and these are cold, logical guys who will do what is necessary - more scary than raging Swprd worlders any day... Yup.
My supositions are an attempt to explain why they are suddenly active (after being fairly inactive for over a thousand years).
But not only are they scary because of their willingness to "do what is necessary", but they are able to do that with a restored TL13. (In GT they regain their lost technology a full 50+ years ahead of when they do in the TNE timeline.)
So now you have this group of formerly quiet "pacifists" (not really, but that's probably how they were viewed) has suddenly woken up into a dangerously determined expansionistic TL13 pocket empire!
The only real problem with all of that is that, except for eventually smacking down the Sword Worlds when they finally cross the line, all of the action takes place in a sector that no one is allowed to detail!
daryen
May 21st, 2003, 06:43 PM
Besides the Darrians, though, there were a couple of other meta-plots you set up that I am curious about.
The potentially biggest, by far, plot was the Droyne. You set forth a new super-Sport (Moudray), and set up some secret activity in 1118. Where were you going with that?
Another mess was the sublight colonists. Now, if the colonists and the Imperium were reasonable, they wouldn't be a problem to deal with. At the very least, Mithril, Dawnworld and Tavonni, while far from ideal, are all completely empty. Any one of them could easily hold all of the colonists.
But then, when have any group of Solomani been reasonable? smile.gif How big of a mess did you plan on creating with them?
There were other plots, but these two immediately popped into mind.
The potentially biggest, by far, plot was the Droyne. You set forth a new super-Sport (Moudray), and set up some secret activity in 1118. Where were you going with that?
Another mess was the sublight colonists. Now, if the colonists and the Imperium were reasonable, they wouldn't be a problem to deal with. At the very least, Mithril, Dawnworld and Tavonni, while far from ideal, are all completely empty. Any one of them could easily hold all of the colonists.
But then, when have any group of Solomani been reasonable? smile.gif How big of a mess did you plan on creating with them?
There were other plots, but these two immediately popped into mind.
JFZeigler
May 21st, 2003, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by daryen:
At the risk of pushing it, what about Trojan Reaches and Aldebaran? I would really like to see those, especially the latter one. The Trojan Reach book ran into serious trouble and isn't likely to come out anytime soon. The Aldebaran book will be on the track as soon as the author (me) finds the time amid getting other books out the door. :D
At the risk of pushing it, what about Trojan Reaches and Aldebaran? I would really like to see those, especially the latter one. The Trojan Reach book ran into serious trouble and isn't likely to come out anytime soon. The Aldebaran book will be on the track as soon as the author (me) finds the time amid getting other books out the door. :D
daryen
May 21st, 2003, 09:54 PM
In light of that, I wish the Floriani would have been included in Humaniti.
Oh well, more room for us to move on our own. smile.gif
Oh well, more room for us to move on our own. smile.gif
JFZeigler
May 21st, 2003, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by daryen:
In light of that, I wish the Floriani would have been included in Humaniti.Actually, they have been.
In light of that, I wish the Floriani would have been included in Humaniti.Actually, they have been.
daryen
May 21st, 2003, 10:29 PM
Cool!
I do hope it is released in June like the SJG site says. I already planned on buying it the moment I find it, and that was just because of the Darrians. I am anticipating it even more, now!
Even though I will likely have to completely revamp my website as a result.
I do hope it is released in June like the SJG site says. I already planned on buying it the moment I find it, and that was just because of the Darrians. I am anticipating it even more, now!
Even though I will likely have to completely revamp my website as a result.
neil frier
May 22nd, 2003, 08:22 AM
Originally posted by daryen:
Besides the Darrians, though, there were a couple of other meta-plots you set up that I am curious about.
The potentially biggest, by far, plot was the Droyne. You set forth a new super-Sport (Moudray), and set up some secret activity in 1118. Where were you going with that?
Another mess was the sublight colonists. Now, if the colonists and the Imperium were reasonable, they wouldn't be a problem to deal with. At the very least, Mithril, Dawnworld and Tavonni, while far from ideal, are all completely empty. Any one of them could easily hold all of the colonists.
But then, when have any group of Solomani been reasonable? smile.gif How big of a mess did you plan on creating with them?
There were other plots, but these two immediately popped into mind. Its good to see interest in the subject of the super sport which i thought would have created more questions than it did. I did write a whole adventure to explain more about the super sport but it was cut from BtC. I would be great if GuRPS would print it or put out on the net. I also liked writing up the Naval forces of the area and like Martin i would be very happy to contiune my work on the book if i got the ok.
[edited to fix the quote tag]
[ May 22, 2003, 02:53 PM: Message edited by: hunter ]
Besides the Darrians, though, there were a couple of other meta-plots you set up that I am curious about.
The potentially biggest, by far, plot was the Droyne. You set forth a new super-Sport (Moudray), and set up some secret activity in 1118. Where were you going with that?
Another mess was the sublight colonists. Now, if the colonists and the Imperium were reasonable, they wouldn't be a problem to deal with. At the very least, Mithril, Dawnworld and Tavonni, while far from ideal, are all completely empty. Any one of them could easily hold all of the colonists.
But then, when have any group of Solomani been reasonable? smile.gif How big of a mess did you plan on creating with them?
There were other plots, but these two immediately popped into mind. Its good to see interest in the subject of the super sport which i thought would have created more questions than it did. I did write a whole adventure to explain more about the super sport but it was cut from BtC. I would be great if GuRPS would print it or put out on the net. I also liked writing up the Naval forces of the area and like Martin i would be very happy to contiune my work on the book if i got the ok.
[edited to fix the quote tag]
[ May 22, 2003, 02:53 PM: Message edited by: hunter ]
MJD
May 22nd, 2003, 08:58 AM
Gah. Who let YOU in here?
Tanuki
May 22nd, 2003, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by MJD:
Gah. Who let YOU in here? Uh... Did you mean to include a smiley with that?
Gah. Who let YOU in here? Uh... Did you mean to include a smiley with that?
daryen
May 22nd, 2003, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by NAF:
Its good to see interest in the subject of the super sport which i thought would have created more questions than it did. I did write a whole adventure to explain more about the super sport but it was cut from BtC. I would be great if GuRPS would print it or put out on the net. I also liked writing up the Naval forces of the area and like Martin i would be very happy to contiune my work on the book if i got the ok. I have primarily focused on the Darrians, as that is where my main interest lay.
However, I have seen Moudray brought up at least once, if not more, in these boards. I think there are many people who, even if they didn't like the idea of a new super sport, would be very interested in seeing where you (both) planned on going with it.
So, Mr. Zeigler, can NAF and MJD explain what they had in mind? It would seem that SJG has moved its primary focus to the Rim, so it shouldn't hurt anything you have planned for the next couple of years.
BTW, I am not complaining about the focus on the Rim. That is fine. It's just that if you are going to let the SM lay fallow (which is not a bad idea) please let NAF and MJD explain their ideas.
Thanks.
Its good to see interest in the subject of the super sport which i thought would have created more questions than it did. I did write a whole adventure to explain more about the super sport but it was cut from BtC. I would be great if GuRPS would print it or put out on the net. I also liked writing up the Naval forces of the area and like Martin i would be very happy to contiune my work on the book if i got the ok. I have primarily focused on the Darrians, as that is where my main interest lay.
However, I have seen Moudray brought up at least once, if not more, in these boards. I think there are many people who, even if they didn't like the idea of a new super sport, would be very interested in seeing where you (both) planned on going with it.
So, Mr. Zeigler, can NAF and MJD explain what they had in mind? It would seem that SJG has moved its primary focus to the Rim, so it shouldn't hurt anything you have planned for the next couple of years.
BTW, I am not complaining about the focus on the Rim. That is fine. It's just that if you are going to let the SM lay fallow (which is not a bad idea) please let NAF and MJD explain their ideas.
Thanks.
neil frier
May 23rd, 2003, 08:12 AM
Originally posted by MJD:
Gah. Who let YOU in here? SOMEONE HAS TO KEEP YOU UNDER CONTROL.
Gah. Who let YOU in here? SOMEONE HAS TO KEEP YOU UNDER CONTROL.
neil frier
May 23rd, 2003, 08:14 AM
Originally posted by daryen:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by NAF:
Its good to see interest in the subject of the super sport which i thought would have created more questions than it did. I did write a whole adventure to explain more about the super sport but it was cut from BtC. I would be great if GuRPS would print it or put out on the net. I also liked writing up the Naval forces of the area and like Martin i would be very happy to contiune my work on the book if i got the ok. I have primarily focused on the Darrians, as that is where my main interest lay.
However, I have seen Moudray brought up at least once, if not more, in these boards. I think there are many people who, even if they didn't like the idea of a new super sport, would be very interested in seeing where you (both) planned on going with it.
So, Mr. Zeigler, can NAF and MJD explain what they had in mind? It would seem that SJG has moved its primary focus to the Rim, so it shouldn't hurt anything you have planned for the next couple of years.
BTW, I am not complaining about the focus on the Rim. That is fine. It's just that if you are going to let the SM lay fallow (which is not a bad idea) please let NAF and MJD explain their ideas.
Thanks. </font>[/QUOTE]I would love to talk to you about the plots but Mr Zeigler has to say yes.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by NAF:
Its good to see interest in the subject of the super sport which i thought would have created more questions than it did. I did write a whole adventure to explain more about the super sport but it was cut from BtC. I would be great if GuRPS would print it or put out on the net. I also liked writing up the Naval forces of the area and like Martin i would be very happy to contiune my work on the book if i got the ok. I have primarily focused on the Darrians, as that is where my main interest lay.
However, I have seen Moudray brought up at least once, if not more, in these boards. I think there are many people who, even if they didn't like the idea of a new super sport, would be very interested in seeing where you (both) planned on going with it.
So, Mr. Zeigler, can NAF and MJD explain what they had in mind? It would seem that SJG has moved its primary focus to the Rim, so it shouldn't hurt anything you have planned for the next couple of years.
BTW, I am not complaining about the focus on the Rim. That is fine. It's just that if you are going to let the SM lay fallow (which is not a bad idea) please let NAF and MJD explain their ideas.
Thanks. </font>[/QUOTE]I would love to talk to you about the plots but Mr Zeigler has to say yes.
JFZeigler
May 23rd, 2003, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by daryen:
So, Mr. Zeigler, can NAF and MJD explain what they had in mind? It would seem that SJG has moved its primary focus to the Rim, so it shouldn't hurt anything you have planned for the next couple of years.I have no objection.
And yes, we are being careful about the Spinward Marches, for reasons I'm not at liberty to discuss. However, that doesn't mean we're abandoning the region entirely - the first in the new Traveller's Guide series of books is going to cover the Sword Worlds.
So who knows?
So, Mr. Zeigler, can NAF and MJD explain what they had in mind? It would seem that SJG has moved its primary focus to the Rim, so it shouldn't hurt anything you have planned for the next couple of years.I have no objection.
And yes, we are being careful about the Spinward Marches, for reasons I'm not at liberty to discuss. However, that doesn't mean we're abandoning the region entirely - the first in the new Traveller's Guide series of books is going to cover the Sword Worlds.
So who knows?
MJD
May 23rd, 2003, 04:29 PM
I don't use smileys. As Neil can testify, I have nothing to smile about. Or with.
But for what it's worth, Neil and I have been friends (of an abusive and hard-to-live-with sort) for a long time now. Don't worry about the banter....
But for what it's worth, Neil and I have been friends (of an abusive and hard-to-live-with sort) for a long time now. Don't worry about the banter....
Ganidirsii O'Flynn
May 23rd, 2003, 04:56 PM
Inasmuch as Darrian Expansion plans go, has anyone thought of the Aslan Factor? The Darrians have had several clans of ihatei merc'ing for them for a couple hundred years (as of 1120). I'm not being sarcastic when I ask, has anyone thought that they may very well be running out of land grants? AND they have what, three High Pop worlds that may be straining abit for their environments... just a thought.
Pierce_Inverarity
May 23rd, 2003, 05:54 PM
Jon, while you're here... could you tell us whether SJG are planning on re-releasing Behind the Claw anytime soon (= in the next 12 months or so)? I ask because I'm hoping to avoid shelling out $30+ for a used copy on ebay.
JFZeigler
May 23rd, 2003, 06:23 PM
No plans to re-release it at this time. Even if we do, I'd really like to give it a second edition (clean up errata, move data into tables, add verbiage to fill out the space thus freed up). Which means some re-development work.
So if you want it anytime in the next year, you'd best pick up a used copy.
So if you want it anytime in the next year, you'd best pick up a used copy.
Pierce_Inverarity
May 23rd, 2003, 06:54 PM
Ah well. A second edition would be great, though. And if ebay's any gauge (or all the online shops that sell out of BTC as soon as they get a copy in), the demand's definitely there.
daryen
May 23rd, 2003, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by JFZeigler:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by daryen:
So, Mr. Zeigler, can NAF and MJD explain what they had in mind?I have no objection.</font>[/QUOTE]Cool!
And thank you.
So, MJD and NAF, what *were* you planning with the Darrian spinward missions and the Droyne/Moudray thread?
Oh, and what is on Excalibur's moon?
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by daryen:
So, Mr. Zeigler, can NAF and MJD explain what they had in mind?I have no objection.</font>[/QUOTE]Cool!
And thank you.
So, MJD and NAF, what *were* you planning with the Darrian spinward missions and the Droyne/Moudray thread?
Oh, and what is on Excalibur's moon?
Borodin
May 23rd, 2003, 08:11 PM
Hmm, I could be mistaken, but I think I saw it in my FLGS last week. You may be able to find a copy in a store near you as well, either on their used rack, or buried deep in the GURPS section. If there are any other stores nearby (within say 50 miles of you) you might try calling them to see if they have a copy buried in there somewhere. Just a thought.
daryen
May 23rd, 2003, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by Ganidiirsi O'Flynn:
Inasmuch as Darrian Expansion plans go, has anyone thought of the Aslan Factor? The Darrians have had several clans of ihatei merc'ing for them for a couple hundred years (as of 1120). I'm not being sarcastic when I ask, has anyone thought that they may very well be running out of land grants? AND they have what, three High Pop worlds that may be straining abit for their environments... just a thought. I doubt that the Aslan are at that point. The primary grant, Roget, still has lots and lots of room left (only a pop of 7), and Cunnonic is also totally open (pop of 5). Plus Winston is just waiting for both humans or Aslan.
As for the hi-pop worlds, only Zamine has problems, and most of that is from its balkanization. Mire is built to be ecologically sound, and Entrope is a near-vacuum world, anyway.
That said, I do think the Aslan are an integral part of the expansionist movement in the Darrians. It is part of their nature, and I imagine they have advocated expansion for centuries.
Inasmuch as Darrian Expansion plans go, has anyone thought of the Aslan Factor? The Darrians have had several clans of ihatei merc'ing for them for a couple hundred years (as of 1120). I'm not being sarcastic when I ask, has anyone thought that they may very well be running out of land grants? AND they have what, three High Pop worlds that may be straining abit for their environments... just a thought. I doubt that the Aslan are at that point. The primary grant, Roget, still has lots and lots of room left (only a pop of 7), and Cunnonic is also totally open (pop of 5). Plus Winston is just waiting for both humans or Aslan.
As for the hi-pop worlds, only Zamine has problems, and most of that is from its balkanization. Mire is built to be ecologically sound, and Entrope is a near-vacuum world, anyway.
That said, I do think the Aslan are an integral part of the expansionist movement in the Darrians. It is part of their nature, and I imagine they have advocated expansion for centuries.
plop101
May 23rd, 2003, 09:55 PM
I guess I'll slide in here and ask a question.
Attention: Ancients and/or Imperial Librarian.
I've been searching the books, looking up stuff for a canonical list of locations/localities on Regina, as a basis for creating an imtu list of locations for my own campaign. I'm a little confused about certain references to cities on Regina. The references I have available are:
1. DGP's Grand Survey listing of Regina, found at the TravellerCentral Web site, which identifies 5 major cities, Credo, Regni, Princeps, Kingsbury, and Corona.
2. "Grandfathers Worlds," from Challenge 27, page 36, where the city of Regni appears as a reference.
3. GT's Behind the Claw, which has a listing of Regina [page 81] which states that the capital of Regina is Atora.
What I want to know is this: which of these references are canonically correct?
As I thought about this, I decided one could argue that either are correct, neither are correct, or both could be correct. Rather than ponder which might be right, I've decided to call up the ancients for consultation. I have a coyn set available, if you guys need one for this. I'll be happy to dance, chirp, and fly around for an answer on this one.
Oh, almost forgot. I don't have a copy of the TNE Regency Sourcebook; can anyone who has this resource shed any light on the subject?
Thanks to all in advance.
Attention: Ancients and/or Imperial Librarian.
I've been searching the books, looking up stuff for a canonical list of locations/localities on Regina, as a basis for creating an imtu list of locations for my own campaign. I'm a little confused about certain references to cities on Regina. The references I have available are:
1. DGP's Grand Survey listing of Regina, found at the TravellerCentral Web site, which identifies 5 major cities, Credo, Regni, Princeps, Kingsbury, and Corona.
2. "Grandfathers Worlds," from Challenge 27, page 36, where the city of Regni appears as a reference.
3. GT's Behind the Claw, which has a listing of Regina [page 81] which states that the capital of Regina is Atora.
What I want to know is this: which of these references are canonically correct?
As I thought about this, I decided one could argue that either are correct, neither are correct, or both could be correct. Rather than ponder which might be right, I've decided to call up the ancients for consultation. I have a coyn set available, if you guys need one for this. I'll be happy to dance, chirp, and fly around for an answer on this one.
Oh, almost forgot. I don't have a copy of the TNE Regency Sourcebook; can anyone who has this resource shed any light on the subject?
Thanks to all in advance.
JFZeigler
May 24th, 2003, 12:23 AM
For what it's worth, we just published a writeup on the city of Atora in JTAS. The author was Hans Rancke-Madsen. He placed Atora fairly close to Credo, with the assumption that it's a much smaller city. Which isn't unreasonable - the capital of a place certainly doesn't have to be one of the biggest cities in the place.
plop101
May 24th, 2003, 08:03 AM
Thank you Mr Zeigler. I guess thats possibility #4 both are correct. Also, I guess I'll finnally have to figure out how to subscribe to JTAS.
plop chirps, flaps wings, flys around.
plop chirps, flaps wings, flys around.
Elliot
May 24th, 2003, 04:20 PM
NAF old boy - some of us have been waiting for the Muodray biz for a few years now. Dont be shy SPILL THE XXXXXXX BEANS!
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MJD
May 25th, 2003, 05:05 AM
I'd certainly be willing to rework BtC for a second edition. As to demand, one games store owner told me that for every Rim of Fire they sold, he got 3 requests for BtC.
JFZeigler
May 25th, 2003, 09:06 AM
Behind the Claw is certainly on the short list of books to consider for a reprint or second edition. I don't get a lot of input into that decision, though. The sales-and-marketing folks are in the driver's seat on that one, and so far they've not been enthusiastic about reprinting anything but the GT core book. Once we get a healthy release schedule going again, that may change.
plop101
May 25th, 2003, 11:30 AM
Since we have someone working on Atora, will this lead to a GT Regina Planetary Survey Book in the not to distant future?
kafka47
May 25th, 2003, 12:32 PM
The idea of the Sword Worlds sourcebook sounds a bit like taking some of Fading Suns, Star Crusade series and Travellerizing it.
Do we have a tentative list of things that will be coming out of the Traveller line from SJG? I mean after Starships, Humaniti and Nobles are cleared the landing bay.
Sadly, I feel that SJG is seriously neglecting a fan base that would help rescue it from some its financial woes. I mean if you look at the loyality of Traveller fans who are hungering for something new, there is an near endless reserve of capital.
I, for one, who hates the GURPS system, will still buy GT, because of the high standard that it sets. But, when it will come time to choose, I think that I still prefer T20, as it innovates and stays closer to a sense of wonder rather retreading over the same pathways that was CT. Which isn't that why I buy FFE products?
(sorry Jon, I am just waiting for something really new to announced in the GT milieu but it just doesn't seem to want to happen...Interstellar Wars is looking more like Imperium rather than breaking new ground like Transhuman Space does. So as the line editor can you not give us the taste of what is to come? Surely marketing & distribution watches things like these lists and actually sees the potential for Traveller versus some of the Generic lines. [eg. GURPS Rogues])
Do we have a tentative list of things that will be coming out of the Traveller line from SJG? I mean after Starships, Humaniti and Nobles are cleared the landing bay.
Sadly, I feel that SJG is seriously neglecting a fan base that would help rescue it from some its financial woes. I mean if you look at the loyality of Traveller fans who are hungering for something new, there is an near endless reserve of capital.
I, for one, who hates the GURPS system, will still buy GT, because of the high standard that it sets. But, when it will come time to choose, I think that I still prefer T20, as it innovates and stays closer to a sense of wonder rather retreading over the same pathways that was CT. Which isn't that why I buy FFE products?
(sorry Jon, I am just waiting for something really new to announced in the GT milieu but it just doesn't seem to want to happen...Interstellar Wars is looking more like Imperium rather than breaking new ground like Transhuman Space does. So as the line editor can you not give us the taste of what is to come? Surely marketing & distribution watches things like these lists and actually sees the potential for Traveller versus some of the Generic lines. [eg. GURPS Rogues])
plop101
May 25th, 2003, 07:25 PM
Kafka opines:
I, for one, who hates the GURPS system, will still buy GT, because of the high standard that it sets. But, when it will come time to choose, I think that I still prefer T20, as it innovates and stays closer to a sense of wonder rather retreading over the same pathways that was CT. Which isn't that why I buy FFE products? plop grits teeth, snarls, enhances calm, chants "Mellow, Mellow"
Ok. I happen to like gurps, and while I don't like a straight GT game*, the wonderful thing about gurps is that the system allows you to do your own thing very easily. As for T20, I'm still trying to fathom the character generation :rolleyes: On FFE, I'll buy any CT item they put out, and hope in the not to distant future that actual new CT stuff will be produced. So I guess its all in the eye of the beholder. :D
* My Traveller game MUST have one man scout ships; straight GT makes this a difficult proposision to do.
Reposting a previous question:
Since we have someone working on Atora, will this lead to a GT Regina Planetary Survey Book in the not to distant future?
I, for one, who hates the GURPS system, will still buy GT, because of the high standard that it sets. But, when it will come time to choose, I think that I still prefer T20, as it innovates and stays closer to a sense of wonder rather retreading over the same pathways that was CT. Which isn't that why I buy FFE products? plop grits teeth, snarls, enhances calm, chants "Mellow, Mellow"
Ok. I happen to like gurps, and while I don't like a straight GT game*, the wonderful thing about gurps is that the system allows you to do your own thing very easily. As for T20, I'm still trying to fathom the character generation :rolleyes: On FFE, I'll buy any CT item they put out, and hope in the not to distant future that actual new CT stuff will be produced. So I guess its all in the eye of the beholder. :D
* My Traveller game MUST have one man scout ships; straight GT makes this a difficult proposision to do.
Reposting a previous question:
Since we have someone working on Atora, will this lead to a GT Regina Planetary Survey Book in the not to distant future?
rancke
May 25th, 2003, 07:30 PM
Originally posted by JFZeigler:
For what it's worth, we just published a writeup on the city of Atora in JTAS. The author was Hans Rancke-Madsen. He placed Atora fairly close to Credo, with the assumption that it's a much smaller city. Which isn't unreasonable - the capital of a place certainly doesn't have to be one of the biggest cities in the place. Also, I resolved the discrepancy by making Atora the capital of the Duchy of Regina. Credo is the capital of the Regina System, an altogether different political entity.
And it's not that much smaller. It's pushing 15 million...
Hans
For what it's worth, we just published a writeup on the city of Atora in JTAS. The author was Hans Rancke-Madsen. He placed Atora fairly close to Credo, with the assumption that it's a much smaller city. Which isn't unreasonable - the capital of a place certainly doesn't have to be one of the biggest cities in the place. Also, I resolved the discrepancy by making Atora the capital of the Duchy of Regina. Credo is the capital of the Regina System, an altogether different political entity.
And it's not that much smaller. It's pushing 15 million...
Hans
rancke
May 25th, 2003, 07:37 PM
Originally posted by daryen:
My suppositions are an attempt to explain why they are suddenly active (after being fairly inactive for over a thousand years).
But not only are they scary because of their willingness to "do what is necessary", but they are able to do that with a restored TL13. (In GT they regain their lost technology a full 50+ years ahead of when they do in the TNE timeline.)Actually, unless Jon has edited that bit out again, I explained that little implausibility away in the writeup of the Darrians for Humaniti (I could not concieve of any way that the Rebellion not happening could cause the Darrians to skip 70 years of scientific and technological development).
Hans
My suppositions are an attempt to explain why they are suddenly active (after being fairly inactive for over a thousand years).
But not only are they scary because of their willingness to "do what is necessary", but they are able to do that with a restored TL13. (In GT they regain their lost technology a full 50+ years ahead of when they do in the TNE timeline.)Actually, unless Jon has edited that bit out again, I explained that little implausibility away in the writeup of the Darrians for Humaniti (I could not concieve of any way that the Rebellion not happening could cause the Darrians to skip 70 years of scientific and technological development).
Hans
daryen
May 26th, 2003, 12:19 AM
Originally posted by rancke:
Actually, unless Jon has edited that bit out again, I explained that little implausibility away in the writeup of the Darrians for Humaniti (I could not concieve of any way that the Rebellion not happening could cause the Darrians to skip 70 years of scientific and technological development).While I do agree with that sentiment, I must point out the GT Darrians are quite different from MT/TNE Darrians.
MT Darrians are still the wallflowers they have been for 1000 years. The TNE Darrians, while more agressive, are still totally under the shadow of the Regency. In both cases, the Darrians are still accepting that they have been consigned to their little subsector and are willing to live with that.
By comparison, the GT Darrians are stark, raving warmongers. They are aggressive, expansionistic and very much on the go. They believe they must expand or die, so they are hell-bent to expand.
Consequently, the presence or absense of the Rebellion has nothing to do with their regaining the technology. Actually, the Regency sourcebook almost flat out states that their technological recovery was a joint process with the Regency. In GT, their completely different and totally aggressive attitude is the reason for the sudden leap in technology.
BTW, did you fix the error in the BtC description of the Darrians? (The statement "Despite this slender appearance they are actually stronger than typical humans, though a little less dextrous." That is completely wrong. They are a little less strong, but just as dextrous as typical humans.)
Also, where any of the other Darrian threads given in BtC (e.g. the Spinward Missions) expanded on in Humaniti, or where those ignored?
Actually, unless Jon has edited that bit out again, I explained that little implausibility away in the writeup of the Darrians for Humaniti (I could not concieve of any way that the Rebellion not happening could cause the Darrians to skip 70 years of scientific and technological development).While I do agree with that sentiment, I must point out the GT Darrians are quite different from MT/TNE Darrians.
MT Darrians are still the wallflowers they have been for 1000 years. The TNE Darrians, while more agressive, are still totally under the shadow of the Regency. In both cases, the Darrians are still accepting that they have been consigned to their little subsector and are willing to live with that.
By comparison, the GT Darrians are stark, raving warmongers. They are aggressive, expansionistic and very much on the go. They believe they must expand or die, so they are hell-bent to expand.
Consequently, the presence or absense of the Rebellion has nothing to do with their regaining the technology. Actually, the Regency sourcebook almost flat out states that their technological recovery was a joint process with the Regency. In GT, their completely different and totally aggressive attitude is the reason for the sudden leap in technology.
BTW, did you fix the error in the BtC description of the Darrians? (The statement "Despite this slender appearance they are actually stronger than typical humans, though a little less dextrous." That is completely wrong. They are a little less strong, but just as dextrous as typical humans.)
Also, where any of the other Darrian threads given in BtC (e.g. the Spinward Missions) expanded on in Humaniti, or where those ignored?
plop101
May 26th, 2003, 02:41 AM
Greetings Mr Rancke!
Since you've worked up Atora, does this mean we might see a Regina Planetary Survey guide/book in the not to distant future?
Since you've worked up Atora, does this mean we might see a Regina Planetary Survey guide/book in the not to distant future?
rancke
May 26th, 2003, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by plop101:
Greetings Mr Rancke!
Since you've worked up Atora, does this mean we might see a Regina Planetary Survey guide/book in the not to distant future? No. I'm just running a face-to-face campaign set in the Duchy of Regina. The PCs are troubleshooters for Oberlindes Lines and headquartered in Atora. So I submitted the map I made for my players.
Hans
Greetings Mr Rancke!
Since you've worked up Atora, does this mean we might see a Regina Planetary Survey guide/book in the not to distant future? No. I'm just running a face-to-face campaign set in the Duchy of Regina. The PCs are troubleshooters for Oberlindes Lines and headquartered in Atora. So I submitted the map I made for my players.
Hans
rancke
May 26th, 2003, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by daryen:
While I do agree with that sentiment, I must point out the GT Darrians are quite different from MT/TNE Darrians.That is a position that I can't agree with. I am of the firm opinion that the only differences between the GTU and the OTU [ought to] stem from changes emanating from a single change point somewhere in 1116. Any differences that can't be explained that way are (again just IMO) a bona fide canon conflict and should be fixed one way or the other.
BTW, did you fix the error in the BtC description of the Darrians? (The statement "Despite this slender appearance they are actually stronger than typical humans, though a little less dextrous." That is completely wrong. They are a little less strong, but just as dextrous as typical humans.)I caught it. I don't know if the fix I came up with made it into the book: According to GURPS Space humans that grow up under light gravity gets a -2 to their base strength. So I said that Darrians who grow up in Earth-like gravity have a base +1 to strength, which means that Darrians that grow up on Darrian winds up with a net -1 to strength.
Also, where any of the other Darrian threads given in BtC (e.g. the Spinward Missions) expanded on in Humaniti, or where those ignored? Mostly ignored. I didn't feel like disregarding the fact that Foreven had been designated a GM's preserve.
Hans
While I do agree with that sentiment, I must point out the GT Darrians are quite different from MT/TNE Darrians.That is a position that I can't agree with. I am of the firm opinion that the only differences between the GTU and the OTU [ought to] stem from changes emanating from a single change point somewhere in 1116. Any differences that can't be explained that way are (again just IMO) a bona fide canon conflict and should be fixed one way or the other.
BTW, did you fix the error in the BtC description of the Darrians? (The statement "Despite this slender appearance they are actually stronger than typical humans, though a little less dextrous." That is completely wrong. They are a little less strong, but just as dextrous as typical humans.)I caught it. I don't know if the fix I came up with made it into the book: According to GURPS Space humans that grow up under light gravity gets a -2 to their base strength. So I said that Darrians who grow up in Earth-like gravity have a base +1 to strength, which means that Darrians that grow up on Darrian winds up with a net -1 to strength.
Also, where any of the other Darrian threads given in BtC (e.g. the Spinward Missions) expanded on in Humaniti, or where those ignored? Mostly ignored. I didn't feel like disregarding the fact that Foreven had been designated a GM's preserve.
Hans
daryen
May 26th, 2003, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by rancke:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by daryen:
While I do agree with that sentiment, I must point out the GT Darrians are quite different from MT/TNE Darrians.That is a position that I can't agree with. I am of the firm opinion that the only differences between the GTU and the OTU [ought to] stem from changes emanating from a single change point somewhere in 1116. Any differences that can't be explained that way are (again just IMO) a bona fide canon conflict and should be fixed one way or the other.
</font>[/QUOTE]This effectively means that the Darrians in BtC are fundamentally different than the Darrians in Humaniti. I kinda liked the BtC Darrians, but I understand your reasoning.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Also, where any of the other Darrian threads given in BtC (e.g. the Spinward Missions) expanded on in Humaniti, or where those ignored? Mostly ignored. I didn't feel like disregarding the fact that Foreven had been designated a GM's preserve.</font>[/QUOTE]That's unfortunate. Since the Darrians would never invade either Sword Worlds or Imperial worlds (even client states), the only possible direction for them to expand is Foreven.
Considering that we know where all of the worlds are, that we know the political boundaries and that we even know 5 of the UWPs, I don't see where it would violate the "GM's preserve" to say that the Darrians are expanding into Foreven and that they have two (or however many) client states and that they have had skirmishes with the Avalar. Giving them at least an abstract outlet for the expansion is better (IMO) than just cancelling it out because of a "GM's preserve".
BTW, thank you for answering my questions. While I am (obviously) not thrilled with some of the responses, I do appreciate your taking the time to respond.
Finally, you may be my last hope for one other GT related Darrian question I have. Is Dorianna really part of the Darrian Confederation, or is that a mistake in BtC? I can't figure if it was intentional, if they had really meant to include Kardin (which was interdicted by the Confederation), or whether it was just a "typo" mistake.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by daryen:
While I do agree with that sentiment, I must point out the GT Darrians are quite different from MT/TNE Darrians.That is a position that I can't agree with. I am of the firm opinion that the only differences between the GTU and the OTU [ought to] stem from changes emanating from a single change point somewhere in 1116. Any differences that can't be explained that way are (again just IMO) a bona fide canon conflict and should be fixed one way or the other.
</font>[/QUOTE]This effectively means that the Darrians in BtC are fundamentally different than the Darrians in Humaniti. I kinda liked the BtC Darrians, but I understand your reasoning.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Also, where any of the other Darrian threads given in BtC (e.g. the Spinward Missions) expanded on in Humaniti, or where those ignored? Mostly ignored. I didn't feel like disregarding the fact that Foreven had been designated a GM's preserve.</font>[/QUOTE]That's unfortunate. Since the Darrians would never invade either Sword Worlds or Imperial worlds (even client states), the only possible direction for them to expand is Foreven.
Considering that we know where all of the worlds are, that we know the political boundaries and that we even know 5 of the UWPs, I don't see where it would violate the "GM's preserve" to say that the Darrians are expanding into Foreven and that they have two (or however many) client states and that they have had skirmishes with the Avalar. Giving them at least an abstract outlet for the expansion is better (IMO) than just cancelling it out because of a "GM's preserve".
BTW, thank you for answering my questions. While I am (obviously) not thrilled with some of the responses, I do appreciate your taking the time to respond.
Finally, you may be my last hope for one other GT related Darrian question I have. Is Dorianna really part of the Darrian Confederation, or is that a mistake in BtC? I can't figure if it was intentional, if they had really meant to include Kardin (which was interdicted by the Confederation), or whether it was just a "typo" mistake.
neil frier
May 27th, 2003, 07:39 AM
Originally posted by daryen:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JFZeigler:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by daryen:
So, Mr. Zeigler, can NAF and MJD explain what they had in mind?I have no objection.</font>[/QUOTE]Cool!
And thank you.
So, MJD and NAF, what *were* you planning with the Darrian spinward missions and the Droyne/Moudray thread?
Oh, and what is on Excalibur's moon? </font>[/QUOTE]I will talk to Martin when i see him next Monday about writing up some details on the Darrians and the Droyne.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JFZeigler:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by daryen:
So, Mr. Zeigler, can NAF and MJD explain what they had in mind?I have no objection.</font>[/QUOTE]Cool!
And thank you.
So, MJD and NAF, what *were* you planning with the Darrian spinward missions and the Droyne/Moudray thread?
Oh, and what is on Excalibur's moon? </font>[/QUOTE]I will talk to Martin when i see him next Monday about writing up some details on the Darrians and the Droyne.
Jame
May 27th, 2003, 09:06 AM
I hate to erratta-ize (no I don't, but I'll be polite), but in BtC the Red and Amber Zone symbols seem to be switched. So when/if you get to reprint/redo it, this should be fixed.
Don't take this as ill-intended criticism, but this has always picked at me.
Don't take this as ill-intended criticism, but this has always picked at me.
daryen
May 27th, 2003, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by Jame:
I hate to erratta-ize (no I don't, but I'll be polite), but in BtC the Red and Amber Zone symbols seem to be switched. So when/if you get to reprint/redo it, this should be fixed.I am quite sure that if there is to be a second edition of BtC, they will include all known errata. The swapped zones are one of the know issues.
I hate to erratta-ize (no I don't, but I'll be polite), but in BtC the Red and Amber Zone symbols seem to be switched. So when/if you get to reprint/redo it, this should be fixed.I am quite sure that if there is to be a second edition of BtC, they will include all known errata. The swapped zones are one of the know issues.
daryen
May 27th, 2003, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by NAF:
I will talk to Martin when i see him next Monday about writing up some details on the Darrians and the Droyne. Thank you very much! I look forward to seeing the results.
I will talk to Martin when i see him next Monday about writing up some details on the Darrians and the Droyne. Thank you very much! I look forward to seeing the results.
daryen
June 7th, 2003, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by daryen:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by NAF:
I will talk to Martin when i see him next Monday about writing up some details on the Darrians and the Droyne. Thank you very much! I look forward to seeing the results. </font>[/QUOTE]Just bumping the topic to see if you came up with anything yet.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by NAF:
I will talk to Martin when i see him next Monday about writing up some details on the Darrians and the Droyne. Thank you very much! I look forward to seeing the results. </font>[/QUOTE]Just bumping the topic to see if you came up with anything yet.
daryen
July 1st, 2003, 02:04 PM
Bumping the topic again.
Have you had a chance to come up with anything yet, NAF or MJD?
Have you had a chance to come up with anything yet, NAF or MJD?
JFZeigler
July 8th, 2003, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by kafka47:
Do we have a tentative list of things that will be coming out of the Traveller line from SJG? I mean after Starships, Humaniti and Nobles are cleared the landing bay.Well, after those . . .
There's the Sword Worlds book, which will break more new ground than you might think. There's the Aldeberan Sector book, which will be a close look at the Solomani Confederation and the first fully-developed sector for the GT line outside the Imperium.
And there will be the Interstellar Wars book, which I suspect will surprise a lot of people if we're successful. Sure, we have a certain amount of prior canon to work from, but the goal is to present a pretty intense (and somewhat original) space-opera setting in that context. Transhuman Space it won't be, but I think we can bring some of the same fresh approach to it.
I have some other concepts seeking authors, but it will be a while before I can say anything more definite about them. Certainly one of the challenges we face is that we have covered pretty much all the ground that Classic Traveller once covered. From here on out we have to do new things.
Do we have a tentative list of things that will be coming out of the Traveller line from SJG? I mean after Starships, Humaniti and Nobles are cleared the landing bay.Well, after those . . .
There's the Sword Worlds book, which will break more new ground than you might think. There's the Aldeberan Sector book, which will be a close look at the Solomani Confederation and the first fully-developed sector for the GT line outside the Imperium.
And there will be the Interstellar Wars book, which I suspect will surprise a lot of people if we're successful. Sure, we have a certain amount of prior canon to work from, but the goal is to present a pretty intense (and somewhat original) space-opera setting in that context. Transhuman Space it won't be, but I think we can bring some of the same fresh approach to it.
I have some other concepts seeking authors, but it will be a while before I can say anything more definite about them. Certainly one of the challenges we face is that we have covered pretty much all the ground that Classic Traveller once covered. From here on out we have to do new things.
daryen
August 11th, 2003, 12:08 AM
Just doing my monthly bump to see if MJD and NAF had a chance to come up with anything yet ...
BTW, if I need to shut up and just drop it, tell me. I am assuming you just haven't had a chance to do it and a monthly (or so) reminder is OK as you might otherwise forget about it.
BTW, if I need to shut up and just drop it, tell me. I am assuming you just haven't had a chance to do it and a monthly (or so) reminder is OK as you might otherwise forget about it.
daryen
December 12th, 2003, 12:37 PM
Just refound this thread while looking for something else.
And, while my "bumps" usually result in absolutely nothing, I figured I would ask again.
Is there any chance for either of you to sketch out what you had in mind when you introduced the various plot threads to Behind the Claw? While I am most interested in the Moudray and Darrain threads, I would love to hear about any of the others you want to talk about.
(Though it is obvious that the GT editors changed tacks on the Darrians. Humaniti knocked them back into place pretty effectively.)
And, while my "bumps" usually result in absolutely nothing, I figured I would ask again.
Is there any chance for either of you to sketch out what you had in mind when you introduced the various plot threads to Behind the Claw? While I am most interested in the Moudray and Darrain threads, I would love to hear about any of the others you want to talk about.
(Though it is obvious that the GT editors changed tacks on the Darrians. Humaniti knocked them back into place pretty effectively.)
Elliot
December 12th, 2003, 01:11 PM
NAF Please please respond to the Muodray issue - we wanna know, you know.
jatay3
December 18th, 2003, 03:27 PM
Couldn't the Sword Worlds have been described better. BTW makes them sound more like "human Aslans" -except it doesn't dismiss Aslan culture so conteptuously.
rancke
December 19th, 2003, 07:10 AM
Originally posted by jatay3:
Couldn't the Sword Worlds have been described better. Yes, and I hope Paul, Robert and I have managed to do just that. :D
Hans
Couldn't the Sword Worlds have been described better. Yes, and I hope Paul, Robert and I have managed to do just that. :D
Hans
William
December 21st, 2003, 12:40 AM
Originally posted by rancke:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jatay3:
Couldn't the Sword Worlds have been described better. Yes, and I hope Paul, Robert and I have managed to do just that. :D
Hans </font>[/QUOTE]Damn. Gotta clean another keyboard.
(Ps. Far as I'm concerned you have. And then some.)
William
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jatay3:
Couldn't the Sword Worlds have been described better. Yes, and I hope Paul, Robert and I have managed to do just that. :D
Hans </font>[/QUOTE]Damn. Gotta clean another keyboard.
(Ps. Far as I'm concerned you have. And then some.)
William
Jame
December 21st, 2003, 04:05 PM
I haven't seen NAF since he signed up...
notagoodusername
December 21st, 2003, 08:13 PM
Originally posted by Jame#1:
I haven't seen NAF since he signed up... Neil is best contacted by pinging Martin and demanding (well, asking is better) he pass on the questions at thier game night.
Shane
I haven't seen NAF since he signed up... Neil is best contacted by pinging Martin and demanding (well, asking is better) he pass on the questions at thier game night.
Shane
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