J.C.D.
September 3rd, 2005, 11:27 PM
Well, since I got here I've been nagged constantly and incessantly about my taglines, whatever they were.
I don't take kindly to nagging, having been subjected to an incedible amount of it in my life, and don't acquiesce to naggers because once a nagger knows she can nag you into something, they just keep on nagging and nagging you on every issue.
Well, when nagging at me didn't work directly someonme apparently whined to a mod, who changed my tags without my consent and against my will.
Accordingly, I have deleted as many of my messages a spossible and am saying Hasta La Vista, baby.
I hope all you naggers out there are finally happy.
I don't take kindly to nagging, having been subjected to an incedible amount of it in my life, and don't acquiesce to naggers because once a nagger knows she can nag you into something, they just keep on nagging and nagging you on every issue.
Well, when nagging at me didn't work directly someonme apparently whined to a mod, who changed my tags without my consent and against my will.
Accordingly, I have deleted as many of my messages a spossible and am saying Hasta La Vista, baby.
I hope all you naggers out there are finally happy.
far-trader
September 3rd, 2005, 11:59 PM
Ah, well then it was you who did the discourtesy of messing up threads. Good riddance then, sheeeesh :rolleyes:
And unlike the Terminator movies that made that catch phrase so repeated, no sequels please.
And unlike the Terminator movies that made that catch phrase so repeated, no sequels please.
Madarin Dude
September 4th, 2005, 12:10 AM
Heck I agree with your sig in some ways but. Really keep it in the Pulpit it is where all the bad things happen. For a sig think of something apolitical and humorous. It is not the end of the world. Get over it.
Malenfant
September 4th, 2005, 12:53 AM
Good riddance?
Really, if you can't just not get over yourself and not act so foolishly, then there is no place for you on any board.
That's two boards you've been booted off. Maybe even three if you're also the guy that got booted off rpgnet who'd been previously booted from the SJG boards. That's not coincidence - it's because of your attitude, not because people are out to get you.
Really, if you can't just not get over yourself and not act so foolishly, then there is no place for you on any board.
That's two boards you've been booted off. Maybe even three if you're also the guy that got booted off rpgnet who'd been previously booted from the SJG boards. That's not coincidence - it's because of your attitude, not because people are out to get you.
stofsk
September 4th, 2005, 02:05 AM
JCD -
Avatars and signatures are not a right, they're a privilege. In the case of avatars this is readily apparent - you can only select avatars from a list, IIRC, when I first signed up way back when... - but sigs are even more so a privilege. Their purpose is to give you the chance to personalise your posts with something idiosyncratic, not to continue vendettas and feuds with other posters into the public forum.
The other problem with sigs is that you can't reply to them. What if I were to put into my sig something like "Israel sucks" or "America sucks"? You can't reply to that without hijacking a thread. If I were to start a thread you could quote me and reply to it, but a sig? A sig is like a giant billboard on a webforum, you can't reply to it but it can broadcast its message everywhere.
A perfect example of this is when someone asked you why you and Bill Cameron weren't speaking, inadvertantly hijacking the thread in consequence. It wasn't his fault, as he was only curious. Predictably, he wanted to delete his query when he found out the answer, because no-one likes seeing other people's dirty laundry in public.
Frankly JCD, if you're upset that moderators here took issue with your sig and changed it without your knowledge or consent, live and learn. You don't own the board, you're a guest to it, and they're your hosts. Also, when you develop vendettas with other people the better part of valour would dictate dealing with it in a discrete manner. The rest of the board doesn't care if you have a problem with SJG Forums or Bill Cameron or whoever.
Avatars and signatures are not a right, they're a privilege. In the case of avatars this is readily apparent - you can only select avatars from a list, IIRC, when I first signed up way back when... - but sigs are even more so a privilege. Their purpose is to give you the chance to personalise your posts with something idiosyncratic, not to continue vendettas and feuds with other posters into the public forum.
The other problem with sigs is that you can't reply to them. What if I were to put into my sig something like "Israel sucks" or "America sucks"? You can't reply to that without hijacking a thread. If I were to start a thread you could quote me and reply to it, but a sig? A sig is like a giant billboard on a webforum, you can't reply to it but it can broadcast its message everywhere.
A perfect example of this is when someone asked you why you and Bill Cameron weren't speaking, inadvertantly hijacking the thread in consequence. It wasn't his fault, as he was only curious. Predictably, he wanted to delete his query when he found out the answer, because no-one likes seeing other people's dirty laundry in public.
Frankly JCD, if you're upset that moderators here took issue with your sig and changed it without your knowledge or consent, live and learn. You don't own the board, you're a guest to it, and they're your hosts. Also, when you develop vendettas with other people the better part of valour would dictate dealing with it in a discrete manner. The rest of the board doesn't care if you have a problem with SJG Forums or Bill Cameron or whoever.
Whipsnade
September 4th, 2005, 02:45 AM
Originally posted by stofsk:
A perfect example of this is when someone asked you why you and Bill Cameron weren't speaking, inadvertantly hijacking the thread in consequence.Stofsk,
Don't drag me into this nonsense please.
I answered a legitimate question and left it at that. As for not 'speaking' with J.C.D., you'll find three or four threads in which I responded directly to his posts and queries even after he added his infantile "CURRENTLY IGNORING" tagline.
He was asked to remove the politcal portions of his sig, took umbrage, and left. AFAIK, he was not asked to remove the portions of his sig that referred to me. What's more, I never asked him to remove that portion of his sig or reported that portion of his sig to the forum moderators. J.C.D. could have used a sig that said I blew dead bears and I wouldn't have blinked.
He was banned from the SJG forums for reasons I ma not privy to. When he tried to circumvent that ban with an absurdly clumsy lie, I and many others called him on it, so he was banned again. He obviously blames Andrew Hackard for the first ban and myself for the second. However, we all know who is really to blame.
Bill
A perfect example of this is when someone asked you why you and Bill Cameron weren't speaking, inadvertantly hijacking the thread in consequence.Stofsk,
Don't drag me into this nonsense please.
I answered a legitimate question and left it at that. As for not 'speaking' with J.C.D., you'll find three or four threads in which I responded directly to his posts and queries even after he added his infantile "CURRENTLY IGNORING" tagline.
He was asked to remove the politcal portions of his sig, took umbrage, and left. AFAIK, he was not asked to remove the portions of his sig that referred to me. What's more, I never asked him to remove that portion of his sig or reported that portion of his sig to the forum moderators. J.C.D. could have used a sig that said I blew dead bears and I wouldn't have blinked.
He was banned from the SJG forums for reasons I ma not privy to. When he tried to circumvent that ban with an absurdly clumsy lie, I and many others called him on it, so he was banned again. He obviously blames Andrew Hackard for the first ban and myself for the second. However, we all know who is really to blame.
Bill
stofsk
September 4th, 2005, 03:30 AM
Originally posted by Bill Cameron:
Don't drag me into this nonsense please.I wasn't. Someone ELSE asked the question to JCD in another thread, which was my point. That guy inadvertantly caused a thread hijack - and I wasn't blaming him, btw, since really it wasn't his fault - and that's why you don't put controversial or political messages in sigs.
My point is that JCD had his sig edited because it was causing distruption, and I fully support the moderator decision to do so.
Don't drag me into this nonsense please.I wasn't. Someone ELSE asked the question to JCD in another thread, which was my point. That guy inadvertantly caused a thread hijack - and I wasn't blaming him, btw, since really it wasn't his fault - and that's why you don't put controversial or political messages in sigs.
My point is that JCD had his sig edited because it was causing distruption, and I fully support the moderator decision to do so.
Whipsnade
September 4th, 2005, 03:40 AM
Stofsk,
Ah... Now I understand.
In the words of the late Gilda Radner, Never mind...
Have fun,
Bill
Ah... Now I understand.
In the words of the late Gilda Radner, Never mind...
Have fun,
Bill
Michael Taylor
September 4th, 2005, 06:31 AM
Hi JCD
It is a shame for you to go, because coti is a great community to be part of. I agree with the moderator however, who deleted your ridiculous reference to Bill Cameron. You can't personally insult people like that. We welcome all intelligent debate and contributions however.
regards
Michael
It is a shame for you to go, because coti is a great community to be part of. I agree with the moderator however, who deleted your ridiculous reference to Bill Cameron. You can't personally insult people like that. We welcome all intelligent debate and contributions however.
regards
Michael
Tobias
September 4th, 2005, 08:52 AM
Originally posted by Malenfant:
That's two boards you've been booted off. He hasn't been booted off here, or has he? He just left. I actually hope he'll cool down and come back. I'd hate to see my theory that no fan community is too small for destructive infighting proven yet again.
J.C.D.: I agree with Michael for the most part. If you're still reading: Just participate normally here and ignore - without making a big announcement out of it - those you have a beef with, for whatever reasons. As for the political sig: There are certainly a lot of people who would agree with it to some extent, but this board has been refreshingly politics-free in the past and I, for one, am am happier this way. (http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20050629.html)
Regards,
Tobias
That's two boards you've been booted off. He hasn't been booted off here, or has he? He just left. I actually hope he'll cool down and come back. I'd hate to see my theory that no fan community is too small for destructive infighting proven yet again.
J.C.D.: I agree with Michael for the most part. If you're still reading: Just participate normally here and ignore - without making a big announcement out of it - those you have a beef with, for whatever reasons. As for the political sig: There are certainly a lot of people who would agree with it to some extent, but this board has been refreshingly politics-free in the past and I, for one, am am happier this way. (http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20050629.html)
Regards,
Tobias
Madarin Dude
September 4th, 2005, 09:22 AM
Tobias your sig rocks:^)
jfetters
September 4th, 2005, 10:47 AM
JCD, you sprocking moron. You didn't have to delete the threads that you created. There were some good discussions going on there.
Thanks for wasting the time of everyone who decided to post on those threads. graemlins/file_28.gif
Thanks for wasting the time of everyone who decided to post on those threads. graemlins/file_28.gif
Jeff M. Hopper
September 4th, 2005, 01:39 PM
Eh...and now back to our regularly scheduled programming...
RainOfSteel
September 4th, 2005, 02:30 PM
I don't think JCD was banned. JCD just left in a huff after doing as much damage as possible so as to feel that some form of retaliation had been committed.
Since J.C.D. is apparently deleting entire topics, everyone should remember not to post to them should any new topics appear with that user name as creator.
Remember, if J.C.D. hasn't been banned, then this topic can still be deleted!
Since J.C.D. is apparently deleting entire topics, everyone should remember not to post to them should any new topics appear with that user name as creator.
Remember, if J.C.D. hasn't been banned, then this topic can still be deleted!
mike wightman
September 4th, 2005, 02:49 PM
He still has six other threads he started that haven't been deleted.
It's a shame that some of them have gone - there was some good stuff amongst them.
It's a shame that some of them have gone - there was some good stuff amongst them.
Spinward Scout
September 4th, 2005, 08:24 PM
I actually thought he had some really good ideas and points. He'll be back, most likely. Malenfant left in a huff and came back (glad you're back, dude). A lot of other people disappear and come back. It's still CotI and we're still here.
Dameon
Dameon
Jeff M. Hopper
September 4th, 2005, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by Sir Dameon Toth:
He'll be back, most likely. Malenfant left in a huff and came back (glad you're back, dude). A lot of other people disappear and come back. It's still CotI and we're still here.
Dameon Citizens of the Imperium - the Cheers of scum and villainy on the internet.
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"Where everybody knows your name...."
He'll be back, most likely. Malenfant left in a huff and came back (glad you're back, dude). A lot of other people disappear and come back. It's still CotI and we're still here.
Dameon Citizens of the Imperium - the Cheers of scum and villainy on the internet.
graemlins/file_21.gif
"Where everybody knows your name...."
RandyT0001
September 4th, 2005, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by Jeff M. Hopper:
Citizens of the Imperium - the Cheers of scum and villainy on the internet.
graemlins/file_21.gif
"Where everybody knows your name...." Well, they know our names anyway Jeff, most people here use a nickname. I use my real name just in case I meet somebody at a convention or vacation trip.
Citizens of the Imperium - the Cheers of scum and villainy on the internet.
graemlins/file_21.gif
"Where everybody knows your name...." Well, they know our names anyway Jeff, most people here use a nickname. I use my real name just in case I meet somebody at a convention or vacation trip.
Spinward Scout
September 4th, 2005, 09:24 PM
the Cheers of scum and villainy on the internet.Yes, but who would be Norm? And maybe you can help me, I can't decide whether I'm Scum or Villany...
Dameon
Dameon
Jeff M. Hopper
September 4th, 2005, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by Sir Dameon Toth:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> the Cheers of scum and villainy on the internet.Yes, but who would be Norm? And maybe you can help me, I can't decide whether I'm Scum or Villany...
Dameon </font>[/QUOTE]As to the Scum and Villainy, its all mixed to personal taste.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> the Cheers of scum and villainy on the internet.Yes, but who would be Norm? And maybe you can help me, I can't decide whether I'm Scum or Villany...
Dameon </font>[/QUOTE]As to the Scum and Villainy, its all mixed to personal taste.
Jeff M. Hopper
September 4th, 2005, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by Randy Tyler:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jeff M. Hopper:
Citizens of the Imperium - the Cheers of scum and villainy on the internet.
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"Where everybody knows your name...." Well, they know our names anyway Jeff, most people here use a nickname. I use my real name just in case I meet somebody at a convention or vacation trip. </font>[/QUOTE]You know, we ought to have a Tennessee Traveller round-up one of these days. There seem to be a lot of us from that state.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jeff M. Hopper:
Citizens of the Imperium - the Cheers of scum and villainy on the internet.
graemlins/file_21.gif
"Where everybody knows your name...." Well, they know our names anyway Jeff, most people here use a nickname. I use my real name just in case I meet somebody at a convention or vacation trip. </font>[/QUOTE]You know, we ought to have a Tennessee Traveller round-up one of these days. There seem to be a lot of us from that state.
Seanr451
September 5th, 2005, 08:33 AM
I suppose that everyone will answer in the negative to the following question then.
Is it possible that JCD would still be with us if not for the rude manner in which he was treated be some members of CotI?
Is it possible that JCD would still be with us if not for the rude manner in which he was treated be some members of CotI?
RainOfSteel
September 5th, 2005, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by Seanr451:
I suppose that everyone will answer in the negative to the following question then.
Is it possible that JCD would still be with us if not for the rude manner in which he was treated be some members of CotI? Bottom line, I don't think he was treated rudely by most of CotI.
If some people used slightly harsher than normal terminology in JCD's general direction . . . well, it's the RW here. Let's not all have paper thin skins and cry "Mommie!" every time someone says something we don't like. If I had turned tail the first time someone said something I didn't agree with, or attacked my position strongly, I'd have disappeared long ago. It takes a certain amount of backbone to post to the message boards, usenet groups, and mailing lists of the Internet. For every poster, there are many lurkers. Sometimes, would-be posters discover they can't hack it.
I have my own opinion of JCD, and what happened, and I could easily share it here, but I won't. As I mentioned, for the most part, I don't think the treatment was rude.
I suppose that everyone will answer in the negative to the following question then.
Is it possible that JCD would still be with us if not for the rude manner in which he was treated be some members of CotI? Bottom line, I don't think he was treated rudely by most of CotI.
If some people used slightly harsher than normal terminology in JCD's general direction . . . well, it's the RW here. Let's not all have paper thin skins and cry "Mommie!" every time someone says something we don't like. If I had turned tail the first time someone said something I didn't agree with, or attacked my position strongly, I'd have disappeared long ago. It takes a certain amount of backbone to post to the message boards, usenet groups, and mailing lists of the Internet. For every poster, there are many lurkers. Sometimes, would-be posters discover they can't hack it.
I have my own opinion of JCD, and what happened, and I could easily share it here, but I won't. As I mentioned, for the most part, I don't think the treatment was rude.
far-trader
September 5th, 2005, 01:14 PM
I had chosen to just stay out of this (and the other thread) after my one post on it here despite the rising desire to respond to certain issues. I can't any longer. Or I should say won't.
Originally posted by Seanr451:
I suppose that everyone will answer in the negative to the following question then.
Is it possible that JCD would still be with us if not for the rude manner in which he was treated be some members of CotI? Nice bit of assumption there Seanr451. Might as well ask is it possible that J.C.D. would still be with us if not for HIS rude manner in which he treated some members of CotI. Don't forget he was the one who started this with his hate campaign against a person from another board who isn't even here to defend himself.
He was asked, at first politely enough (and even to the end by some) to kindly cease and his response was to take it as a personal attack and bite back or ignore. Perhaps because some of it was public he felt he had to save face. Well I also PM'd him, early, to avoid that, and as far as I know he never even read that, despite being publicly asked and made aware of it sitting in his inbox, twice, to which he never replied either. Here is that PM, you tell me if it is rude:
Date: August 16
Subject: Please read this.
Message: Have you noticed a few posts that asked you to change your sig? Maybe you missed them. I think you missed an excellent post that did mention the real life Q-ships of the German Navy and just how effective they were so you might have missed the suggestions to dump the sig too. Please heed our freindly advice and drop it. Thanks. After he finally relented and changed his "hate" sig he still missed no oppurtunity to plug a hate message whenever he could. We continued to, perhaps with less patience, tell him to get over it or at least drop it from his posts, but we never attacked or were rude in his posts on topic. He continued to ignore us. He had also at some point replaced his sig with a negative polititcal slogan and then added his public snub of a member of CotI who was doing nothing but trying to help him.
Of those of us who publicly asked and advised him, it was done to try to keep the forums a nice place for all and avoid having to bother Hunter at this time. We were just trying to help him get smoothly into the generally pleasant place this forum is. There were some "report posts" made when it was clear he wasn't getting the message but as far as I know from his attitude there were no measures taken directly from them. The report posts came after days or a week of his attitude and obvious denial that we had any "right" to tell him what was accepted behaviour. I again apologize for having to resort to bothering Hunter with this but it seemed necessary for the good of the board.
It was only when MJD stepped in and, politely enough from accounts, asked for J.C.D.'s attention to his attitude. And what did MJD get for his troubles? A typical answer from the sounds of it.
Meanwile I went to see what the latest was on a discussion I was in and the thread was gone. I at first thought another member had simply deleted their own post and so I couldn't find it but it soon became obvious that other posts were missing and the member I thought had a hand in it obviously couldn't have. I thought maybe it was a board refresh problem, for about 5 minutes, when I saw this thread. That answered the questions.
Not only had J.C.D. taken his ball and gone home vowing to never play with us again, but he broke our bat and threw the bases in the creek. And you wonder if we were rude? Now maybe he didn't know that deleting his first post would delete the whole topic but I doubt it. And even if he didn't know the disruption it would bring I'm pretty sure he didn't care, and from his attitude would just take it as a nice bit of bonus revenge for his perceived abuse.
Like I said, good riddance. I was willing to, and did, cut him a lot of slack early on. I figured he just needed to see that this was a different board than any he had likely ever encountered. It is a nice place and I'd like to keep it that way. If he had just dropped the 10ton chip on his shoulder he would have been very welcome here. His posts were great when he wasn't slipping in a hate message, which sadly was too often. If he were to come back with a fresh attitude he might be able to earn the trust and respect he lost but it won't be easy and I don't think he has it in him. Maybe when he grows up.
So, no Seanr451, I don't think J.C.D. would still be with us if not for the rude manner in which he was treated by some members of CotI because it was J.C.D. himself that caused the friction that wore away the polite manner in which he was treated with his rudeness and petty vendettas and ignorant attitude. I think it was inevitable that he would leave this board, voluntarily or not, like he has at least two other boards. And that is all I will say on it.
I apologize for the length and thank you for your time.
Originally posted by Seanr451:
I suppose that everyone will answer in the negative to the following question then.
Is it possible that JCD would still be with us if not for the rude manner in which he was treated be some members of CotI? Nice bit of assumption there Seanr451. Might as well ask is it possible that J.C.D. would still be with us if not for HIS rude manner in which he treated some members of CotI. Don't forget he was the one who started this with his hate campaign against a person from another board who isn't even here to defend himself.
He was asked, at first politely enough (and even to the end by some) to kindly cease and his response was to take it as a personal attack and bite back or ignore. Perhaps because some of it was public he felt he had to save face. Well I also PM'd him, early, to avoid that, and as far as I know he never even read that, despite being publicly asked and made aware of it sitting in his inbox, twice, to which he never replied either. Here is that PM, you tell me if it is rude:
Date: August 16
Subject: Please read this.
Message: Have you noticed a few posts that asked you to change your sig? Maybe you missed them. I think you missed an excellent post that did mention the real life Q-ships of the German Navy and just how effective they were so you might have missed the suggestions to dump the sig too. Please heed our freindly advice and drop it. Thanks. After he finally relented and changed his "hate" sig he still missed no oppurtunity to plug a hate message whenever he could. We continued to, perhaps with less patience, tell him to get over it or at least drop it from his posts, but we never attacked or were rude in his posts on topic. He continued to ignore us. He had also at some point replaced his sig with a negative polititcal slogan and then added his public snub of a member of CotI who was doing nothing but trying to help him.
Of those of us who publicly asked and advised him, it was done to try to keep the forums a nice place for all and avoid having to bother Hunter at this time. We were just trying to help him get smoothly into the generally pleasant place this forum is. There were some "report posts" made when it was clear he wasn't getting the message but as far as I know from his attitude there were no measures taken directly from them. The report posts came after days or a week of his attitude and obvious denial that we had any "right" to tell him what was accepted behaviour. I again apologize for having to resort to bothering Hunter with this but it seemed necessary for the good of the board.
It was only when MJD stepped in and, politely enough from accounts, asked for J.C.D.'s attention to his attitude. And what did MJD get for his troubles? A typical answer from the sounds of it.
Meanwile I went to see what the latest was on a discussion I was in and the thread was gone. I at first thought another member had simply deleted their own post and so I couldn't find it but it soon became obvious that other posts were missing and the member I thought had a hand in it obviously couldn't have. I thought maybe it was a board refresh problem, for about 5 minutes, when I saw this thread. That answered the questions.
Not only had J.C.D. taken his ball and gone home vowing to never play with us again, but he broke our bat and threw the bases in the creek. And you wonder if we were rude? Now maybe he didn't know that deleting his first post would delete the whole topic but I doubt it. And even if he didn't know the disruption it would bring I'm pretty sure he didn't care, and from his attitude would just take it as a nice bit of bonus revenge for his perceived abuse.
Like I said, good riddance. I was willing to, and did, cut him a lot of slack early on. I figured he just needed to see that this was a different board than any he had likely ever encountered. It is a nice place and I'd like to keep it that way. If he had just dropped the 10ton chip on his shoulder he would have been very welcome here. His posts were great when he wasn't slipping in a hate message, which sadly was too often. If he were to come back with a fresh attitude he might be able to earn the trust and respect he lost but it won't be easy and I don't think he has it in him. Maybe when he grows up.
So, no Seanr451, I don't think J.C.D. would still be with us if not for the rude manner in which he was treated by some members of CotI because it was J.C.D. himself that caused the friction that wore away the polite manner in which he was treated with his rudeness and petty vendettas and ignorant attitude. I think it was inevitable that he would leave this board, voluntarily or not, like he has at least two other boards. And that is all I will say on it.
I apologize for the length and thank you for your time.
Malenfant
September 5th, 2005, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by Seanr451:
Is it possible that JCD would still be with us if not for the rude manner in which he was treated be some members of CotI? No.
I'd say "even ignoring his history..." but that wasn't possible because he was the one that insisted on reminding people about it. One bit of netiquiette about discussion boards - do not bring baggage from other boards with you.
His first sig (which went along the lines of 'SJG forums: A great board ruined by one lousy moderator') was just asking for trouble. Particularly since some of us knew that the moderator wasn't the problem. The fact that he couldn't resist sniping at Andrew with such immature crap as how he'd white-out his names on the credit pages of books or how he wished his picture was used on a target location chart showed that he had serious issues - particularly when JCD's banning from the SJG boards was very clearly his own damn fault. He had a history of initiating antagonism there, and what's more he tried to sneak back there after he'd been banned (which is another discussion board no-no).
If people have been banned from one board then I think people on other boards have a right to keep an eye on them at first, lest they just think they can act the same way here too - think of it as a kind of probationary period. Moderation here may be a lot less strict than elsewhere, but we do still have moderators.
Everyone is welcome here but when known troublemakers come from elsewhere then I think we are well within our rights to scrutinise their actions a little more than anyone else's at first. Unfortunately JCD just carried on here as he did on the SJG board and got on everyone's nerves pretty much straight away.
On that note, you yourself were also banned from the SJG forums. In your case, I do know that Andrew was not the one who banned you so stop blaming him for it. However, I do know that you were very insistent about dictating to SJG what they should do next, which undoubtedly annoyed them immensely and contributed to their decision to boot you. I also know that you managed to directly and piss specific people off at SJG with your behaviour (I'll reiterate MJD's comment on the 'recent unpleasantness' thread - "We're the people writing the game. This forum is your means to influence us. If you annoy us, we'll stop taking any notice of you."). So far you've not been as much of an idiot here as JCD was here though.
It's very much up to you whether you stay here or not - obviously if you were to attack the people at QLI like you did the ones at SJG (which I can't imagine you doing since I doubt you have as much interest in T20 as you do in GURPS) then I can guarantee that you won't be on these boards long.
Is it possible that JCD would still be with us if not for the rude manner in which he was treated be some members of CotI? No.
I'd say "even ignoring his history..." but that wasn't possible because he was the one that insisted on reminding people about it. One bit of netiquiette about discussion boards - do not bring baggage from other boards with you.
His first sig (which went along the lines of 'SJG forums: A great board ruined by one lousy moderator') was just asking for trouble. Particularly since some of us knew that the moderator wasn't the problem. The fact that he couldn't resist sniping at Andrew with such immature crap as how he'd white-out his names on the credit pages of books or how he wished his picture was used on a target location chart showed that he had serious issues - particularly when JCD's banning from the SJG boards was very clearly his own damn fault. He had a history of initiating antagonism there, and what's more he tried to sneak back there after he'd been banned (which is another discussion board no-no).
If people have been banned from one board then I think people on other boards have a right to keep an eye on them at first, lest they just think they can act the same way here too - think of it as a kind of probationary period. Moderation here may be a lot less strict than elsewhere, but we do still have moderators.
Everyone is welcome here but when known troublemakers come from elsewhere then I think we are well within our rights to scrutinise their actions a little more than anyone else's at first. Unfortunately JCD just carried on here as he did on the SJG board and got on everyone's nerves pretty much straight away.
On that note, you yourself were also banned from the SJG forums. In your case, I do know that Andrew was not the one who banned you so stop blaming him for it. However, I do know that you were very insistent about dictating to SJG what they should do next, which undoubtedly annoyed them immensely and contributed to their decision to boot you. I also know that you managed to directly and piss specific people off at SJG with your behaviour (I'll reiterate MJD's comment on the 'recent unpleasantness' thread - "We're the people writing the game. This forum is your means to influence us. If you annoy us, we'll stop taking any notice of you."). So far you've not been as much of an idiot here as JCD was here though.
It's very much up to you whether you stay here or not - obviously if you were to attack the people at QLI like you did the ones at SJG (which I can't imagine you doing since I doubt you have as much interest in T20 as you do in GURPS) then I can guarantee that you won't be on these boards long.
Jeff M. Hopper
September 5th, 2005, 02:28 PM
I have to chime in here on this, Malenfant and far-trader are correct in their assessment of J.C.D.'s attitude. From where I am sitting it looked like J.C.D. came to the board with a chip on his shoulder and then grew that chip into enough wood to form a cross upon which he promptly crucified himself. A lot of people were polite to him in voicing their disagreement. It didn't seem to matter. Whatever process that was operating inside J.C.D. did not require any outside input at all, it just happened and we're left with the mess.
RainOfSteel
September 5th, 2005, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by Malenfant:
His first sig (which went along the lines of 'SJG forums: A great board ruined by one lousy moderator') was just asking for trouble.
Time is mitigating your memory of the severity.
It went:
Originally a Sig by J.C.D.:
SJG Forums: A great board ruined by one worthless excuse for a moderator.
Originally posted by Malenfant:
Everyone is welcome here but when known troublemakers come from elsewhere then I think we are well within our rights to scrutinise their actions a little more than anyone else's at first.
I think that's unnecessary. A person's behavior will speak for itself.
His first sig (which went along the lines of 'SJG forums: A great board ruined by one lousy moderator') was just asking for trouble.
Time is mitigating your memory of the severity.
It went:
Originally a Sig by J.C.D.:
SJG Forums: A great board ruined by one worthless excuse for a moderator.
Originally posted by Malenfant:
Everyone is welcome here but when known troublemakers come from elsewhere then I think we are well within our rights to scrutinise their actions a little more than anyone else's at first.
I think that's unnecessary. A person's behavior will speak for itself.
Spinward Scout
September 5th, 2005, 09:20 PM
Is it possible that his intention all along was just to harass the forum and then turn-tail leaving a long line of havoc behind him? I've been reading up on web harassment of late and find that this is a favored M.O. Maybe he was just trying to piss off a lot of people he had a grudge with from this other board.
Dameon
Dameon
rancke
September 5th, 2005, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by Sir Dameon Toth:
Is it possible that his intention all along was just to harass the forum and then turn-tail leaving a long line of havoc behind him?One of my favorite maxims is: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by thoughtlessness[1].
Hans
[1] Actually, the word I usualy use is 'stupidity', but I thought the other was more politic. ;)
Is it possible that his intention all along was just to harass the forum and then turn-tail leaving a long line of havoc behind him?One of my favorite maxims is: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by thoughtlessness[1].
Hans
[1] Actually, the word I usualy use is 'stupidity', but I thought the other was more politic. ;)
Malenfant
September 5th, 2005, 09:27 PM
Doubt it. I think he came here because he found another GT board after he got booted from the SJG one. He probably thought that nobody here would have heard of him (so it was rather stupid to come on with the same username as he had at SJG) and doubtless he imagined that he was completely without blame for what went down at SJG and didn't see any need to change his behaviour.
I don't think he was a hit-and-run troll here, he just clearly hadn't learned a darn thing from his experience at SJG and decided to blame everyone else except himself.
I think in an ideal world you should have to send the mods references before joining discussion boards. Then they can decide whether to let you join. That'd weed out a lot of troublemakers, but it'd be impossible to implement.
I don't think he was a hit-and-run troll here, he just clearly hadn't learned a darn thing from his experience at SJG and decided to blame everyone else except himself.
I think in an ideal world you should have to send the mods references before joining discussion boards. Then they can decide whether to let you join. That'd weed out a lot of troublemakers, but it'd be impossible to implement.
RainOfSteel
September 5th, 2005, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by Malenfant:
I think in an ideal world you should have to send the mods references before joining discussion boards. Then they can decide whether to let you join. [...] but it'd be impossible to implement. Yes, it would be impossible.
I think in an ideal world you should have to send the mods references before joining discussion boards. Then they can decide whether to let you join. [...] but it'd be impossible to implement. Yes, it would be impossible.
RandyT0001
September 5th, 2005, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by Malenfant:
I think in an ideal world you should have to send the mods references before joining discussion boards. Then they can decide whether to let you join. That'd weed out a lot of troublemakers, but it'd be impossible to implement. In this ideal world how would one come up with his first set of references to join his first board? How would one decide who can join, only those that have proven in the past to agree with the moderator or a polled majority of board members? What if they are clever enough to use a different nickname than used on other boards where they may have been kicked off, how would one handle that?
Of the over 6000+ members of which maybe about 300-500 have made a post, of that probably 100-200 have posted regularly we've had how many troublemakers? Four, six, eight? Let's not become emotional and overreact.
I think in an ideal world you should have to send the mods references before joining discussion boards. Then they can decide whether to let you join. That'd weed out a lot of troublemakers, but it'd be impossible to implement. In this ideal world how would one come up with his first set of references to join his first board? How would one decide who can join, only those that have proven in the past to agree with the moderator or a polled majority of board members? What if they are clever enough to use a different nickname than used on other boards where they may have been kicked off, how would one handle that?
Of the over 6000+ members of which maybe about 300-500 have made a post, of that probably 100-200 have posted regularly we've had how many troublemakers? Four, six, eight? Let's not become emotional and overreact.
Malenfant
September 5th, 2005, 10:43 PM
Originally posted by Randy Tyler:
[QB]In this ideal world how would one come up with his first set of references to join his first board? You do know the meaning of 'in an ideal world', right? And you did actually read the bit where I very clearly said 'it'd be impossible to implement'? :rolleyes:
I don't need to explain hows or whys, it's just idle daydreaming with no thought behind it.
[QB]In this ideal world how would one come up with his first set of references to join his first board? You do know the meaning of 'in an ideal world', right? And you did actually read the bit where I very clearly said 'it'd be impossible to implement'? :rolleyes:
I don't need to explain hows or whys, it's just idle daydreaming with no thought behind it.
RandyT0001
September 6th, 2005, 12:03 AM
Originally posted by Malenfant:
You do know the meaning of 'in an ideal world', right? And you did actually read the bit where I very clearly said 'it'd be impossible to implement'? :rolleyes:
I don't need to explain hows or whys, it's just idle daydreaming with no thought behind it. I just thought that with your background as a planetary scientist that you might have been contacted by undercover Zhodani agents. :D Anyway I'm going to put my tinfoil hat I bought off the inernet a few months ago back on. Never know who's reading my thoughts (and I pity the poor guy assigned to monitor me; he'll die of boredom once my only bright idea dies of loneliness.) ;)
You do know the meaning of 'in an ideal world', right? And you did actually read the bit where I very clearly said 'it'd be impossible to implement'? :rolleyes:
I don't need to explain hows or whys, it's just idle daydreaming with no thought behind it. I just thought that with your background as a planetary scientist that you might have been contacted by undercover Zhodani agents. :D Anyway I'm going to put my tinfoil hat I bought off the inernet a few months ago back on. Never know who's reading my thoughts (and I pity the poor guy assigned to monitor me; he'll die of boredom once my only bright idea dies of loneliness.) ;)
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